I think that particular problem is resolved by removed by adhering to our
Tenth Amendment, and keeping administration of these services local. The
farther the power seat gets from the people, the less it cares.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:43 AM, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Sorry.  Didn't mean to cut them off.  I've got a habit of cutting off
> extraneous past posts which don't respond to the most recent request.
> I suppose I should cut some slack in that though.  Thanks for
> repeating.
>
> I can agree with all your points including Francis' addendum but for
> one consideration -- which is not a complete impediment but one which
> must be dealt with.  I'm sure all of us at one time or another have
> had occasion to contact a government agency for one reason or another
> and have been rebuffed by the bureaucratic, CYA, pass the buck, I
> don't know, my supervisor's not here, I'll hang up if you don't calm
> down firewall.   This has been, in my 69 years experience, the most
> common, most persistent, most irritating complaint about anything
> government.
>
> I'd have to see some progress in removing that mind set from the lower-
> level bureaucracy that we the people get to deal with before I'd feel
> comfortable trusting that much of my life to it.
>
> On Aug 5, 7:44 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I outlined some in the original post, but you chopped them off!
> >
> > 1. Socialized medicine.
> > 2. Socialized education through a degree, trade, or technical
> certification.
> > 3. Socialized energy
> > 4. Socialized farming at the community level (see Japan's city farms)
> > 5. Socialized infrastructure which includes all basic utilities
> >
> > All of this supporting a free market encouraging manufacturing,
> artisanship,
> > culture, and technological innovation. All welfare type programs as we
> know
> > them would be gone (food stamps, AFDC, WIC, SS Disability), replaced by
> work
> > programs within the social infrastructure. I'd tie in paid work programs
> > which began at the high school level, and structure competition to spur
> > innovation and job creation.
> >
> > The ideas are complex, and would take a while to write out...perhaps a
> > different thread.
>
>  >
>

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