Why doesn't this natural born peacemaker do something about the war of terrorism killing innocent people?
peace & Love > Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 18:15:37 -0700 > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: What does it mean to "own" something? > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > > There have been many men in the course of history who have let this > world to better places who also put his pants on just like you and > me. I don't attribute any magic to Obama. Just that he's a natural > born peacemaker, diplomat and is ethnically, racially, politically, > morally and physically right to lead us to the next level of > civilization. It is as much a matter of human society being ready > for peace as it is someone to lead them to it. It's mainly a > confluence of serendipity, timing and desire. > > On Aug 7, 5:17 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am > > > > > of the mind and heart that Barack Hussein Obama is the man who will > > > lead this world to a higher level of existence -- a global peace such > > > as our species has never seen -- throughout his life's work. > > > > Oh man. Are you serious or are you just yanking my chain? He does it > > one leg at a time just like the rest of us, gruff. I agree with you > > on free-markets though. > > > > dj > > > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:15 AM, gruff<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > "... On Aug 3, 1:20 pm, frantheman <[email protected]> > > > wrote: ..." > > > > >> Ok, gruff, I'll jump in - a bit! > > > > > Glad you did, Francis, a very nice restatement. You proved out an > > > item or two I wasn't aware was in my exposition. For instance, I > > > hadn't noticed the "sanctity of private ownership" aspect of my brief > > > which can be expected, I suppose given my personal experience with > > > possessions, but that sanctity is certainly strongly implied. > > > > > Of course free-market capitalism is far from perfect in its pratice, > > > but given the vicissitudes of the human condition, I'd say we're not > > > doing too badly with it. I'm not sure I totally agree with the > > > essence of capitalism being personal possession. I think perhaps that > > > is a byproduct of it. I see the essence of capitalism as profits. > > > Capital used to grow wealth. Of course, these profits or capital are > > > held by individuals which could, I suppose, be reduced to the concept > > > of personal possession. I agree completely with your concept of > > > surplus value (profits) tied with the concept of minimizing the all to > > > human larceny which seems to lie in most all hearts. This almost > > > gives credence to the concept of original sin, doesn't it. Almost. > > > > > How would you define this 'social market economy' you name? I think > > > I can make a pretty good guess based on the term itself but I'd like > > > to hear how you think it's constructed and how it works. > > > > > I also agree with your assessment of the eighties where we took a > > > major turn to the right and began to be suspicious of any government > > > intervention in the social processes and I have to admit to my own > > > complicity in proselytizing the ability of the market to be self- > > > regulating. I still believe that to be true, but the boundaries where > > > that self correction comes into play are clearly way beyond the limits > > > our current economic system can bear. But I beg innocence. We are > > > relatively newcomers to this complex and fascinating world of > > > economics, especially on a fiat and global basis so if there is any > > > forgiveness capital left, I think we deserve a small dollop of it. > > > > > However, I don't see Vam's preferences, at least the way you restate > > > them to be that much different than my own. I have long supported the > > > concept of a free-market capitalist economic structure because it > > > generates a tremendous amount of wealth which can in turn support and > > > generously fund all manner of social benefits for the good of society > > > as a whole and each individual within that society. A wealthy society > > > can and should be not only willing but eager to raise even the least > > > of its members to a higher level of existence which in turn can do no > > > less than raise everyone. > > > > > Such efforts easily encompass such humanitarian concepts of fairness, > > > compassion, solidarity within the fundamental character of the human > > > species and I think it is quite natural to do so. This current state > > > of dog eat dog and to hell with they neighbor is antithetical to our > > > basic nature, which I truly believe is compassionate, fair and bound > > > to each other in the deepest of senses. To this end, I continually > > > battle fear, which I believe to be the root cause of all the bad > > > humans do. > > > > > In that sense, I do think one of the major results of the '08 crash > > > will be more compassion and concern for each other (i.e., a healthy > > > self interest) and a general raising up of all of us. > > > > > I do not, however, think the window of opportunity is closing. I am > > > of the mind and heart that Barack Hussein Obama is the man who will > > > lead this world to a higher level of existence -- a global peace such > > > as our species has never seen -- throughout his life's work. For the > > > basis of this belief I refer you to his Keynote Speech at the 2004 > > > Convention. > > > > > /e > > _________________________________________________________________ Show them the way! 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