I am > of the mind and heart that Barack Hussein Obama is the man who will > lead this world to a higher level of existence -- a global peace such > as our species has never seen -- throughout his life's work.
Oh man. Are you serious or are you just yanking my chain? He does it one leg at a time just like the rest of us, gruff. I agree with you on free-markets though. dj On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:15 AM, gruff<[email protected]> wrote: > > "... On Aug 3, 1:20 pm, frantheman <[email protected]> > wrote: ..." > >> Ok, gruff, I'll jump in - a bit! > > Glad you did, Francis, a very nice restatement. You proved out an > item or two I wasn't aware was in my exposition. For instance, I > hadn't noticed the "sanctity of private ownership" aspect of my brief > which can be expected, I suppose given my personal experience with > possessions, but that sanctity is certainly strongly implied. > > Of course free-market capitalism is far from perfect in its pratice, > but given the vicissitudes of the human condition, I'd say we're not > doing too badly with it. I'm not sure I totally agree with the > essence of capitalism being personal possession. I think perhaps that > is a byproduct of it. I see the essence of capitalism as profits. > Capital used to grow wealth. Of course, these profits or capital are > held by individuals which could, I suppose, be reduced to the concept > of personal possession. I agree completely with your concept of > surplus value (profits) tied with the concept of minimizing the all to > human larceny which seems to lie in most all hearts. This almost > gives credence to the concept of original sin, doesn't it. Almost. > > How would you define this 'social market economy' you name? I think > I can make a pretty good guess based on the term itself but I'd like > to hear how you think it's constructed and how it works. > > I also agree with your assessment of the eighties where we took a > major turn to the right and began to be suspicious of any government > intervention in the social processes and I have to admit to my own > complicity in proselytizing the ability of the market to be self- > regulating. I still believe that to be true, but the boundaries where > that self correction comes into play are clearly way beyond the limits > our current economic system can bear. But I beg innocence. We are > relatively newcomers to this complex and fascinating world of > economics, especially on a fiat and global basis so if there is any > forgiveness capital left, I think we deserve a small dollop of it. > > However, I don't see Vam's preferences, at least the way you restate > them to be that much different than my own. I have long supported the > concept of a free-market capitalist economic structure because it > generates a tremendous amount of wealth which can in turn support and > generously fund all manner of social benefits for the good of society > as a whole and each individual within that society. A wealthy society > can and should be not only willing but eager to raise even the least > of its members to a higher level of existence which in turn can do no > less than raise everyone. > > Such efforts easily encompass such humanitarian concepts of fairness, > compassion, solidarity within the fundamental character of the human > species and I think it is quite natural to do so. This current state > of dog eat dog and to hell with they neighbor is antithetical to our > basic nature, which I truly believe is compassionate, fair and bound > to each other in the deepest of senses. To this end, I continually > battle fear, which I believe to be the root cause of all the bad > humans do. > > In that sense, I do think one of the major results of the '08 crash > will be more compassion and concern for each other (i.e., a healthy > self interest) and a general raising up of all of us. > > I do not, however, think the window of opportunity is closing. I am > of the mind and heart that Barack Hussein Obama is the man who will > lead this world to a higher level of existence -- a global peace such > as our species has never seen -- throughout his life's work. For the > basis of this belief I refer you to his Keynote Speech at the 2004 > Convention. > > /e > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
