There have been many men in the course of history who have let this world to better places who also put his pants on just like you and me. I don't attribute any magic to Obama. Just that he's a natural born peacemaker, diplomat and is ethnically, racially, politically, morally and physically right to lead us to the next level of civilization. It is as much a matter of human society being ready for peace as it is someone to lead them to it. It's mainly a confluence of serendipity, timing and desire.
On Aug 7, 5:17 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > I am > > > of the mind and heart that Barack Hussein Obama is the man who will > > lead this world to a higher level of existence -- a global peace such > > as our species has never seen -- throughout his life's work. > > Oh man. Are you serious or are you just yanking my chain? He does it > one leg at a time just like the rest of us, gruff. I agree with you > on free-markets though. > > dj > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:15 AM, gruff<[email protected]> wrote: > > > "... On Aug 3, 1:20 pm, frantheman <[email protected]> > > wrote: ..." > > >> Ok, gruff, I'll jump in - a bit! > > > Glad you did, Francis, a very nice restatement. You proved out an > > item or two I wasn't aware was in my exposition. For instance, I > > hadn't noticed the "sanctity of private ownership" aspect of my brief > > which can be expected, I suppose given my personal experience with > > possessions, but that sanctity is certainly strongly implied. > > > Of course free-market capitalism is far from perfect in its pratice, > > but given the vicissitudes of the human condition, I'd say we're not > > doing too badly with it. I'm not sure I totally agree with the > > essence of capitalism being personal possession. I think perhaps that > > is a byproduct of it. I see the essence of capitalism as profits. > > Capital used to grow wealth. Of course, these profits or capital are > > held by individuals which could, I suppose, be reduced to the concept > > of personal possession. I agree completely with your concept of > > surplus value (profits) tied with the concept of minimizing the all to > > human larceny which seems to lie in most all hearts. This almost > > gives credence to the concept of original sin, doesn't it. Almost. > > > How would you define this 'social market economy' you name? I think > > I can make a pretty good guess based on the term itself but I'd like > > to hear how you think it's constructed and how it works. > > > I also agree with your assessment of the eighties where we took a > > major turn to the right and began to be suspicious of any government > > intervention in the social processes and I have to admit to my own > > complicity in proselytizing the ability of the market to be self- > > regulating. I still believe that to be true, but the boundaries where > > that self correction comes into play are clearly way beyond the limits > > our current economic system can bear. But I beg innocence. We are > > relatively newcomers to this complex and fascinating world of > > economics, especially on a fiat and global basis so if there is any > > forgiveness capital left, I think we deserve a small dollop of it. > > > However, I don't see Vam's preferences, at least the way you restate > > them to be that much different than my own. I have long supported the > > concept of a free-market capitalist economic structure because it > > generates a tremendous amount of wealth which can in turn support and > > generously fund all manner of social benefits for the good of society > > as a whole and each individual within that society. A wealthy society > > can and should be not only willing but eager to raise even the least > > of its members to a higher level of existence which in turn can do no > > less than raise everyone. > > > Such efforts easily encompass such humanitarian concepts of fairness, > > compassion, solidarity within the fundamental character of the human > > species and I think it is quite natural to do so. This current state > > of dog eat dog and to hell with they neighbor is antithetical to our > > basic nature, which I truly believe is compassionate, fair and bound > > to each other in the deepest of senses. To this end, I continually > > battle fear, which I believe to be the root cause of all the bad > > humans do. > > > In that sense, I do think one of the major results of the '08 crash > > will be more compassion and concern for each other (i.e., a healthy > > self interest) and a general raising up of all of us. > > > I do not, however, think the window of opportunity is closing. I am > > of the mind and heart that Barack Hussein Obama is the man who will > > lead this world to a higher level of existence -- a global peace such > > as our species has never seen -- throughout his life's work. For the > > basis of this belief I refer you to his Keynote Speech at the 2004 > > Convention. > > > /e --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Minds-Eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
