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On Aug 15, 1:21 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
> “.. I don't think there is anything we do in dream that we can't in
> waking life. “ MB
>
> So, Molly, you think that when one walks through a wall in a dream,
> they can do it in waking life too, correct? Or am I off base here?
>
> On Aug 15, 5:25 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > teleportation and bi location are mystical traditions that do not
> > require dream. I don't think there is anything we do in dream that we
> > can't in waking life. In dream, the boundaries of conscious thought
> > prevail, and if we depend on them, we are limited by them. The
> > research in past life regression of Dr. Brian Weiss has taken him to a
> > place where he now proposes that at the soul level, we are everyone
> > that is living, ever lived, will ever live...this is the oneness. I
> > think he is on to something here, and maybe your dreams of being
> > someone else are just a lifting of this veil, Slip.
>
> > On Aug 14, 10:12 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > D,
> > > Appreciate your view, freedom from conscious thought. Dreams are
> > > definitely as much an outlet as they are an opportunity for
> > > introspection. I'm not sure that I would agree that they represent
> > > ones true inner feelings, not in the context of what I was presenting,
> > > the quantum travel aspect which shifts the "self" into another gear,
> > > another consciousness, possibly not your own consciousness.
> > > In the dream realm we could be anywhere or anyone at one time or
> > > another. I think dreams are more complex than that which you
> > > present. Considering the many types of dreams, it seems that simple
> > > diagnosis of dreams is not possible or at least not easily
> > > interpreted. For one, a premonitory dream would have nothing
> > > personally to do with the self if the dream is portraying an impending
> > > situation. If you had a dream of someone going into a club and
> > > setting off a bomb and then saw the news of it a few days later, what
> > > would the dream have to do with "your" inner feelings or state of well
> > > being?
> > > The crux of this thread really is about the parallel aspect of
> > > dreaming, the quantum travel in the dream state that is not possible
> > > in the conscious realm.
> > > You are dreaming, you are at a party in Japan, you are enjoying
> > > yourself, suddenly you wake up in your bed. Question, were you really
> > > there?, is the party still going on even though you left and in a
> > > quantum leap returned to the conscious world in which you physically
> > > live. However, again, was the person at the party in Japan really you
> > > or did you somehow "tune in" to someones consciousness at a party in
> > > Japan?
> > > In our conscious world we can't just say excuse me I think I'm going
> > > to go to a party in Japan, see you later. In the dream realm that is
> > > exactly what we may be able to do, travel.
>
> > > On Aug 14, 5:50 am, deripsni <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > To me, dreams represent the freedom of conscious thought, and are a
> > > > sub-concious reflection of ones true inner feelings, brought to life
> > > > unimpeded by physcial road blocks. I think they display the real state
> > > > of the union of a persons emotional wellbeing.
>
> > > > Although some of my dreams are similar to idle contemplation in that
> > > > they don't have a conceived structure, I consider the "mood" of the
> > > > dream to be more relevant than the details, which can as be bizarre
> > > > and unworldly as the imagination allows. How one feels in the dream
> > > > seems to be reflective of how a person generally feels. Is the dream
> > > > happy, fearful, violent, etc.?
>
> > > > As far as a dream being a connection with another planet or parallel
> > > > universe is concerned, I have never felt this to be the case myself.
> > > > OBE's are another story, but one isn't sleeping/dreaming during an
> > > > OBE. In a dream, one can be wherever their imagination takes them, but
> > > > I rather doubt that it is actually travel. I have felt disorientation,
> > > > or being in two places at once, but again, not in a dream. Interesting
> > > > idea though.
>
> > > > On Aug 13, 7:21 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > The discussion on eternity, time and space sparked a memory of an old
> > > > > thread I started back in September 08, and considering the amount of
> > > > > new members I thought it would be relevant and revealing. It seems
> > > > > the archives in ME have been swiped clean because I couldn't find any
> > > > > old threads. So.........
>
> > > > > Are we experiencing quantum travel in our dreams?
>
> > > > > Sometimes I wonder, when I dream and it feels as if I am physically in
> > > > > another place, if that dream is a manifestation of my subconscious
> > > > > mind
> > > > > or if I am experiencing a consciousness in a parallel universe or
> > > > > within another dimension of our own universe, within our time or
> > > > > another time. Recently astronomers found a smaller version of our own
> > > > > solar system 5,000 light-years across the galaxy, this is the first
> > > > > planetary system that really
> > > > > looks like our own, with outer giant planets and room for smaller
> > > > > inner planets. Of course it is beyond our reach physically but what
> > > > > about our capacity to subconsciously travel through the hypothetical
> > > > > mesh of energy in quantum physics. These energy formulations present
> > > > > travel that exponentially exceeds the speed of light. Therefore, I
> > > > > would hypothesize that the subconscious mind in the dream state
> > > > > possibly enters the zero-point field, traveling to another part of our
> > > > > universe, solar system or the next solar system. Possibly my dream
> > > > > could be taking place on the other side of the planet or the other
> > > > > side of the universe. Perhaps Krypton even {;-]
>
> > > > > I find some degree of correlation with dreams and the concept of time
> > > > > travel which according to wikipedia is defined as the concept of
> > > > > moving between different moments in time in a manner analogous to
> > > > > moving between different points in space, either sending objects (or
> > > > > in some cases just information) backwards in time to a moment
> > > > > beforethe present, or sending objects forward from the present to the
> > > > > future
> > > > > without the need to experience the intervening period (at least not at
> > > > > the normal rate). Some interpretations of time travel also suggest
> > > > > that an attempt to travel backwards in time might take one to a
> > > > > parallel universe to diverge from the traveler's original history
> > > > > after the moment the traveler arrived in the past. Although time
> > > > > travel has been a common plot device in fiction since the 19th
> > > > > century, and one-way travel into the future is arguably possible given
> > > > > the phenomenon of time dilation based on velocity in the theory of
> > > > > special relativity (exemplified by the twin paradox) as well as
> > > > > gravitational time dilation in the theory of general relativity, it is
> > > > > currently unknown whether the laws of physics would allow backwards
> > > > > time travel. Any technological device, whether fictional or
> > > > > hypothetical, that is used to achieve two-way time travel is known as
> > > > > a time machine.
>
> > > > > I do enjoy the Time Machine movies past and present and see some
> > > > > validity in the concept. If you look in your yard you may see nothing
> > > > > at the time but possibly there is something there but you can't see it
> > > > > because it exists in that exact place but only in a different time.
> > > > > Something like the twin towers if you were standing at ground zero and
> > > > > could turn back time you would see them because they are there in that
> > > > > time.
>
> > > > > Lynn McTaggart's book The Field connects our physical world with that
> > > > > of the cosmos. This correlation is considered to be the basis for
> > > > > spiritual healing and other earth space phenomena. This basically
> > > > > presents a direct connection of the scientific world with that of the
> > > > > spiritual world. Considering that dreams are of significant relevance
> > > > > in biblical scripture, I would not dismiss these theoretical
> > > > > explorations as whimsical notions. Old and New Testament scripture
> > > > > clearly indicate the importance of dream acknowledgment.
>
> > > > > Walter Brueggermann, professor emeritus of Old Testament at Columbia
> > > > > Theological Seminary in Decatur, Georgia writes....... The ancient
> > > > > world and the biblical tradition knew about dreams. The
> > > > > ancients understood that the unbidden communication in the night opens
> > > > > sleepers to a world different from the one they manage during the day.
> > > > > The ancients dared to imagine, moreover, that this unbidden
> > > > > communication is one venue in which the holy purposes of God,
> > > > > perplexing and unreasonable as they might be, come to us. They knew
> > > > > too that this communication is not obvious. It requires
> > > > > interpretation.
>
> > > > > Freud, of course, did not link dreams to the holy, which he regarded
> > > > > as an illusion. He worked to put dream interpretation on a scientific
> > > > > footing, transposing the religious dimension of dreams into a
> > > > > psychological reality. Dreams were taken to be disclosure of the
> > > > > denied part of the self particularly the self’s repressed desires.
> > > > > Though he transposed dreams from religious to psychological realities,
> > > > > Freud nonetheless utilized a rabbinic-midrashic interpretive method,
> > > > > which involved a patient probing of multi-layered meanings and the
> > > > > inscrutable, enigmatic dimensions of life. Dreams, like ancient texts,
> > > > > require imaginative interpretation in order for us to receive what
> > > > > they disclose.
>
> > > > > Personally I
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