Yep I agree Rigsy. It's that old apple about power and corruption I guess. What to do abut that.
I do have some ideas actualy. Let goverment be low paid or even voluntary(non paid) part time work to attract only those that want to better humanity to the job. Ultimatly get rid of the very idea of money and personal wealth. On 20 Aug, 11:50, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > The United Nations might have become that altruistic "world > government", but alas, we know what happened to that organization. > National interest and power blocks are similar to the conflict we see, > experience in this health care debate. The irony is that we are all > affected by what happens to humanity- either in body or soul. > > On Aug 19, 3:53 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > You are correct I do see it as a universal right, we should indeed try > > to implemet ity workld wide. Ahhh but we have no world wide > > goverment, we have no governing bodies with the power to implement > > such things, besides, considering the explosion of crap that is > > happening in the States at the mere mention of the idea, how do you > > thing other contries both the goverments and the peoples would react > > to any form of forced legislation trying to implement such a system. > > > Sorry mate, you are really cluching at air with that line of > > reasoning. May as well ask why your last prez did not got into > > Somalia or Dafur on humaniterian grounds. > > > Besides all of that, your post is not an answer at all, I asked why > > you do not see it as a 'right', you have not even attempted to answer, > > bad form old boy! > > > On 18 Aug, 18:18, BB47 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Aug 18, 3:43 am, "[email protected]" > health care is > > > not a right though, can you explain that one to me? > > > > Well, if it is a "right" then why are you not covering all the people > > > in Africa and India and Afghanistan? Why, if it is indeed a universal > > > right. Why is it only wihtin your countries borders? > > > There must be a reason why this universal right only applies to > > > "developed countries" as someone put it. Rights are enforced by > > > people. Why aren't you enforcing it worldwide? > > > Paying for ALL humans that have "the need." > > > > > > Would you differentiate those who "can't" with those who "won't?" > > > > > Yes of course I would. I don't like the idea of scroungers any more > > > > than anybody else who works hard to provied for themselves and their > > > > dependants. > > > > > > It gets tricky when you start using the word "right" and the word > > > > > "fair" (I would love to get into those. I think those are two of the > > > > > most interestingly defined words) > > > > > > Just a quick question. Let's say you believe that health care is a > > > > > "right." Let's say a person decides he is going to eat nothing but > > > > > junk food, smoke and drink, and balloon to 300 pounds. Would you be > > > > > taking away his right to do that? > > > > > No I don't see how I could. He has the right to abuse his body or > > > > look after it as he sees fit. By the same token I would not call for > > > > him to pay extra for his medical care either. You are correct when > > > > you say it is an economic problem and I think that the burden of it > > > > SHOULD be shared by all, after all we are ALL going to need healthcare > > > > at some points in our lives, every single one of us. > > > > > > Because the underlying principles and values, not to mention the > > > > > unforseen consequences are misunderstood? > > > > > Yes I agre with you there. > > > > > > I didn't say they were, but I will say I think there should be limits. > > > > > Why is it always that the rich can be so easily bled? (I am not rich > > > > > at all for the record, I drive a Honda with a 1.5 engine OK? These > > > > > are "concepts" here) > > > > > I am as I say a Socialist, but I don't begrudge the money earned by > > > > anybody, I do though think it is fair that those who have more should > > > > give more. I have never been insanely rich, I have been very poor, I > > > > come from a massive family(I'm the oldes of 16 of us) I remember both > > > > my mum and dad working two jobs to support us, we have taken benifits > > > > when needed, but I grow up with and I retain a very strong work > > > > ethic. Now of course I earn a fair bit, I am comfatable, yet if the > > > > time ever comes that I do obtian vast wealth, well I just can't see > > > > what use an income of more that 100K would be for me. It would mean > > > > that I could aford whatever I want, so any extra to my mind is just > > > > madness, why not do a Gates and put it towards good works.- Hide quoted > > > > text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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