On 20 Aug, 13:27, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks for putting some constructive glue into the mix. I did need
> some platform to work from in order to reformulate my theory and you
> provided that. Nice way to put is as far as the consciousness slicing
> and the various shapes that define the dimensional regions of
> consciousness. Though we did attach a likelihood to everyone in the
> dream being in the dream realm, let's look at the possibility that,
> the dreamer sitting at the table with us in his dream can't be seen
> because of an inability to incarnate. Do you think that is in any way
> possible?
>
Absolutely. However I would expect it would be that kind of projected
entity that would result from a 'proper' astral projection rather than
a dream-projection. The main difference being the amount of
consciousness retained in waking consciousness, which we associate
with this 4-D tangible reality. Alternatively, perhaps the connection
to this reality is a function of the (relative) strength of the field
of consciousness so projected. This creates a reasonable platform to
explain both astral projection (as a medium-strength projection across
space from a relatively near timeframe) and ghosts/poltergeists (as a
strong projection across space from a relatively more distant
timeframe). Thus, there exists the possibility of
1) material-to-material astral projection (normal astral
projection performed by living beings whilst 'somewhat' awake) {medium
strength field required},
2) astral-to-material astral projection (ghosts/poltergeists)
{strong field required} and
3) astral-to-astral projection {weak field required} (dreams).
Whatcha think?
> On Aug 20, 7:02 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 20 Aug, 12:23, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Much is true save we don't have to confine it to tangibility or
> > > conscious realm where we encounter a fifth person at the table that is
> > > there because of his dream. Much of what might occur, in the
> > > possibility sense, may be parallel to our physicality. Though I would
> > > hope to establish the theory all probability as it stands now might be
> > > less than one percent given the fact that there are too many
> > > variables. I certainly would not liken the dream to any of the
> > > suggested areas mentioned, never watched them. I found the dream to
> > > be too real, physically. It is not like watching a movie, it's being
> > > there with full awareness and feeling the environment, the shaking
> > > hands and exchange of items. Could it be possible that everyone in
> > > these dreams are dreaming, all the people at the party?
>
> > I think that's far more likely, that is, that all present were
> > dreamers, than that any were tangible, as it were. I tend to believe
> > it is somewhat akin to a 'parallel' reality, but one that is, as you
> > say, common to us all. Perhaps it's a slice across all of our
> > consciousnesses? In my theory, our consciousness is one 2-dimensional
> > slice of the divine 3-dimensional 'loaf' of consciousness. But, who's
> > to say that the loaf can't be sliced in another direction? 2-
> > dimensional slices of consciousness that are sliced across different
> > angles could account for dreams (a slice 90 degrees across ALL our
> > consciousnesses, would create a dreamscape common to us all!) as well
> > as direct revelation from above (a slice 90 degrees from both normal
> > consciousness and the hypothesised dreamscape slice), as it were!
> > And, come to think about it, reincarnation, given a clever slicer who
> > can slice the loaf of consciousness in H-like (or Y-like, or E-like,
> > or F-like) shapes. This is another clear example of just how powerful
> > geometry is/can be.
>
> > >While some
> > > are waking to consciousness others are arriving in rem stage in a
> > > parallel locale, within or without the a collective subconscious and
> > > possibly some people or all of the people in the dream are dead,
> > > living in afterlife. Remember the dream about meeting my recently
> > > decease aunt in the dusty golden glow area where the clouds were
> > > swooshing by in a crossways pattern as if invisible beings were flying
> > > by. There were no buildings or people, nothing material. She
> > > recognized me and asked me where she needed to go, I pointed her in a
> > > direction and told her to go there and everything would be alright. I
> > > believe it was you that mentioned a similar experience within that
> > > golden realm. Even if not it is obvious that this plane of existence
> > > is not the only one, at least to me.
>
> > Yes, the cloudy, dusty, golden glowing area reminded me of the Heaven-
> > side of Limbo, as I perceived it when some friends and I did group
> > astral-travelling. (This revelation, I believe, is what led to all
> > the 'Flying Harrington' comments.) Maybe it answers the question:
> > Where do spirits go after disincarnating? They go a-dreaming.
> > Certainly Australian aborigines would appreciate that, as it lends a
> > bit of credence to their 'Dream-Time' origin of reality concept.
>
> > > On Aug 20, 5:27 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > On 19 Aug, 22:16, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > However, literally speaking, the fact that you present a proof
> > > > > scenario that validates the dreamscape implies that there is still the
> > > > > potential possibility. It is just not plausible under your current
> > > > > microscope and neither was satellite communications in the past, nor
> > > > > radio, television etc. We don't really know beyond REM stage what
> > > > > form of communication takes place within the dream state.
> > > > > I had a dream earlier this year, it goes like this:
> > > > > I'm in a prison yard, there are all these men with black and white
> > > > > horizontally stripped prison clothes. As I was walking many came over
> > > > > to me, they were talking but I couldn't really hear anything, it was a
> > > > > silent dream. Now, it could not possibly have had anything to do with
> > > > > me, I've never been to or witness any prison environment. So I
> > > > > thought that I was tuning in to the consciousness of a prisoner.
> > > > > Where? I don't know but because it was silent I had no clue indication
> > > > > of any accent. It could have been in Russia, Poland, the US, I don't
> > > > > know but obviously I had somehow "traveled" subconsciously in order to
> > > > > be there in the prison yard. Of course there is the time element, was
> > > > > it something that happened in the past or was it happening in the
> > > > > present, which would mean that if I was sleeping in the middle of the
> > > > > night and it was a bright sunny day in the yard then it had to occur
> > > > > in another time zone.
> > > > > Thanks for your contribution Pat.
> > > > > Did you get to see the movie Dreamscape yet?
>
> > > > No, I haven't seen Dreamscape, yet. Could it have been that,
> > > > because you HAVE encountered the prison environment through media
> > > > exposure (news clips, newspapers, reality TV, films like 'Stalag 17'
> > > > and TV shows like 'Hogan's Heroes') that you have some basis with
> > > > which to project an image but your lack of first-hand experience made
> > > > it difficult to create a 'reasonable' dialogue, thus the silence? If
> > > > it were a regular occurence that people travelled to distant (with
> > > > respect ot space and time) places and related to real, tangible things
> > > > in their dreams, then the inverse of that would imply that we should
> > > > expect to encounter, in our waking lives, dreamers from distant times/
> > > > places. And I know of no one who has reported such things. Unless
> > > > all dreamers WE encounter seem to come equipped with their own UFOs,
> > > > and either appear like the greys or little green men. And that's not
> > > > to belittle UFO encounters, rather to include them in the possibility
> > > > of how dreaming (given your view) might work. Somehow, I think it's
> > > > more likely that the dreamscape, as a subset of consciousness-space,
> > > > is more like a 'more abstract model' of our reality--one that is, more
> > > > malleable than our tangible world and one that allows experimentation
> > > > without corrupting the more tangible reality.
>
> > > > > On Aug 19, 11:04 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On 19 Aug, 15:46, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > I hereby award you Molly Brogan the esteemed and coveted, (drum
> > > > > > > roll
> > > > > > > please)
>
> > > > > > > "Queen of Thread Purity Award"
>
> > > > > > > Tadaaa!! Congratulations!
>
> > > > > > > I'm still waiting for Pat to weigh in on the quantum possibilities
> > > > > > > associated with the time perspective of this dream travel
> > > > > > > experience.
> > > > > > > It's not easy tying in the subconscious with Pat's 16 dimensions
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > the boson space that are interleaved and twisted together and
> > > > > > > stretched to
> > > > > > > the most gossamer of all thread like structures that spreads
> > > > > > > completely throughout a torus.
>
> > > > > > > I'm sure that at some point in the future, should enough
> > > > > > > attention be
> > > > > > > paid to it, the quantum dream travel experience will find it's way
> > > > > > > into the scientific world's list of most notable discoveries.
>
> > > > > > I wouldn't want to burst the bubble of your quantum dream foam,
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > the concept doesn't pass Occam's razor for me. In my theory, what
> > > > > > occurs in dreams could play out in a dreamscape of sorts, that is,
> > > > > > an
> > > > > > area of consciousness to which all dreamers have access, but I don't
> > > > > > think we actually transport to another area of space-time.
> > > > > > Consciousness, in my theory, is contained in the Calabi-Yau space
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > data is passed back via quantum flux within our nervous systems.
> > > > > > But,
> > > > > > of course, I only have MY dreams to use as a basis. And the
> > > > > > continuity that exists BETWEEN my dreams*, tells me that the place
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > NOT in this 4-D universe.
>
> > > > > > * example: If, in dream A, I put my watch in my sock drawer, years
> > > > > > later in dream B, I will and CAN find my watch in the sock drawer
> > > > > > right where I left it. That level of continuity BETWEEN dreams
> > > > > > tells
> > > > > > me that there is 'a place' but my physics tells me it's not this 4-D
> > > > > > universe. The way to test it, as I've mentioned before, is to get a
> > > > > > couple of lucid dreamers that both can dream (and HAVE dreamt) of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > same place. Let dreamer A write and leave a message for dreamer B
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > pick up. If that can be done successfully, then we'd be one step
> > > > > > closer to proving a dreamscape. And, one step closer to a new
> > > > > > method
> > > > > > of data transfer!!
>
> > > > > > > On Aug 19, 8:43 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > To give Slip's good thread its due, I would say Slip, that if we
>
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