The way you present it suggests that etheric is collective (sub) consciousness but maintains the attribute of individuality. I think astral is vague but in close proximity to etheric, possibly a subplane of etheric. I also wouldn't discount the importance of light theories. Visible light doesn't seem to have any tangibility and so I perceive it as a wave form that exists whether there is visible light or not, we can't grab, it's just there. This is the plane of ethereal possibility, perhaps. Light maintains it's projection in all forms, liquid, gas, etc. and while there are refractive considerations, light is usually not affected by the movement or motion of such unless it is reflective. We could shine a light into a river and it reaches the other side. Etheric in that sense exists regardless of the cosmological processes, the mechanisms of the universe.
On Aug 22, 8:52 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > I have been giving some thought to the subtle differences of the > astral and the etheric. For me, the astral relates to soul function, > gives separate identity to lives (we are there for past life > regression) and other more subtle states of being (ghosts, channeling, > astral projection etc) all seen in separation and individuation. The > etheric allows us to feel the connection - between us, of groups, of > all. It allows us to experience the connection that runs through all > being and life while maintaining that one point of separation of our > own being, (cosmic consciousness) all seen in connection and > unification. > > On Aug 21, 11:35 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Thanks, Pat. Slip's good thread here is worthy of more thought. I > > also would love to hear your thoughts on dream and sleep. I am in the > > midst of a cleansing fast, and have started to have more of the > > traditional dreams, random, anxiety related. In the dream, I will > > catch myself, and take myself back to the vivid dream space. I have > > always suspected that this transition is more of an inclusion of the > > theta brain waves, and, as you say, ethereal. > > > On Aug 21, 10:06 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 21 Aug, 08:09, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > This is making the most sense and of course I'm remembering some of > > > > the other astral conversations we've had, the apparitions we've > > > > experienced. Very powerful stuff. So it would seem the astral to > > > > astral projection brings about these types of dreams. > > > > I was thinking about your formation, the clover and thought that it > > > > would have to be a group of 4, wouldn't it? > > > > Sorry, I've been wanting to respond to this all morning, but the > > > problem is that I need to do some more research before I outline > > > anything. However, what I will do, now, is drop the concept that > > > we've yet to discuss the Ethereal Plane. And, I think my former > > > categories are more ethereal than truly astral. I'll have a think > > > over the weekend and recategorise these, with a few additions and > > > definitions that might help. ;-) > > > > > On Aug 20, 9:15 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On 20 Aug, 13:27, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks for putting some constructive glue into the mix. I did need > > > > > > some platform to work from in order to reformulate my theory and you > > > > > > provided that. Nice way to put is as far as the consciousness > > > > > > slicing > > > > > > and the various shapes that define the dimensional regions of > > > > > > consciousness. Though we did attach a likelihood to everyone in the > > > > > > dream being in the dream realm, let's look at the possibility that, > > > > > > the dreamer sitting at the table with us in his dream can't be seen > > > > > > because of an inability to incarnate. Do you think that is in any > > > > > > way > > > > > > possible? > > > > > > Absolutely. However I would expect it would be that kind of projected > > > > > entity that would result from a 'proper' astral projection rather than > > > > > a dream-projection. The main difference being the amount of > > > > > consciousness retained in waking consciousness, which we associate > > > > > with this 4-D tangible reality. Alternatively, perhaps the connection > > > > > to this reality is a function of the (relative) strength of the field > > > > > of consciousness so projected. This creates a reasonable platform to > > > > > explain both astral projection (as a medium-strength projection across > > > > > space from a relatively near timeframe) and ghosts/poltergeists (as a > > > > > strong projection across space from a relatively more distant > > > > > timeframe). Thus, there exists the possibility of > > > > > 1) material-to-material astral projection (normal astral > > > > > projection performed by living beings whilst 'somewhat' awake) {medium > > > > > strength field required}, > > > > > 2) astral-to-material astral projection (ghosts/poltergeists) > > > > > {strong field required} and > > > > > 3) astral-to-astral projection {weak field required} (dreams). > > > > > > Whatcha think? > > > > > > > On Aug 20, 7:02 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 20 Aug, 12:23, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Much is true save we don't have to confine it to tangibility or > > > > > > > > conscious realm where we encounter a fifth person at the table > > > > > > > > that is > > > > > > > > there because of his dream. Much of what might occur, in the > > > > > > > > possibility sense, may be parallel to our physicality. Though > > > > > > > > I would > > > > > > > > hope to establish the theory all probability as it stands now > > > > > > > > might be > > > > > > > > less than one percent given the fact that there are too many > > > > > > > > variables. I certainly would not liken the dream to any of the > > > > > > > > suggested areas mentioned, never watched them. I found the > > > > > > > > dream to > > > > > > > > be too real, physically. It is not like watching a movie, it's > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > there with full awareness and feeling the environment, the > > > > > > > > shaking > > > > > > > > hands and exchange of items. Could it be possible that > > > > > > > > everyone in > > > > > > > > these dreams are dreaming, all the people at the party? > > > > > > > > I think that's far more likely, that is, that all present were > > > > > > > dreamers, than that any were tangible, as it were. I tend to > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > it is somewhat akin to a 'parallel' reality, but one that is, as > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > say, common to us all. Perhaps it's a slice across all of our > > > > > > > consciousnesses? In my theory, our consciousness is one > > > > > > > 2-dimensional > > > > > > > slice of the divine 3-dimensional 'loaf' of consciousness. But, > > > > > > > who's > > > > > > > to say that the loaf can't be sliced in another direction? 2- > > > > > > > dimensional slices of consciousness that are sliced across > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > angles could account for dreams (a slice 90 degrees across ALL our > > > > > > > consciousnesses, would create a dreamscape common to us all!) as > > > > > > > well > > > > > > > as direct revelation from above (a slice 90 degrees from both > > > > > > > normal > > > > > > > consciousness and the hypothesised dreamscape slice), as it were! > > > > > > > And, come to think about it, reincarnation, given a clever slicer > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > can slice the loaf of consciousness in H-like (or Y-like, or > > > > > > > E-like, > > > > > > > or F-like) shapes. This is another clear example of just how > > > > > > > powerful > > > > > > > geometry is/can be. > > > > > > > > >While some > > > > > > > > are waking to consciousness others are arriving in rem stage in > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > parallel locale, within or without the a collective > > > > > > > > subconscious and > > > > > > > > possibly some people or all of the people in the dream are dead, > > > > > > > > living in afterlife. Remember the dream about meeting my > > > > > > > > recently > > > > > > > > decease aunt in the dusty golden glow area where the clouds were > > > > > > > > swooshing by in a crossways pattern as if invisible beings were > > > > > > > > flying > > > > > > > > by. There were no buildings or people, nothing material. She > > > > > > > > recognized me and asked me where she needed to go, I pointed > > > > > > > > her in a > > > > > > > > direction and told her to go there and everything would be > > > > > > > > alright. I > > > > > > > > believe it was you that mentioned a similar experience within > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > golden realm. Even if not it is obvious that this plane of > > > > > > > > existence > > > > > > > > is not the only one, at least to me. > > > > > > > > Yes, the cloudy, dusty, golden glowing area reminded me of the > > > > > > > Heaven- > > > > > > > side of Limbo, as I perceived it when some friends and I did group > > > > > > > astral-travelling. (This revelation, I believe, is what led to > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > the 'Flying Harrington' comments.) Maybe it answers the question: > > > > > > > Where do spirits go after disincarnating? They go a-dreaming. > > > > > > > Certainly Australian aborigines would appreciate that, as it > > > > > > > lends a > > > > > > > bit of credence to their 'Dream-Time' origin of reality concept. > > > > > > > > > On Aug 20, 5:27 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 19 Aug, 22:16, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > However, literally speaking, the fact that you present a > > > > > > > > > > proof > > > > > > > > > > scenario that validates the dreamscape implies that there > > > > > > > > > > is still the > > > > > > > > > > potential possibility. It is just not plausible under your > > > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > > microscope and neither was satellite communications in the > > > > > > > > > > past, nor > > > > > > > > > > radio, television etc. We don't really know beyond REM > > > > > > > > > > stage what > > > > > > > > > > form of communication takes place within the dream state. > > > > > > > > > > I had a dream earlier this year, it goes like this: > > > > > > > > > > I'm in a prison yard, there are all these men with black > > > > > > > > > > and white > > > > > > > > > > horizontally stripped prison clothes. As I was walking > > > > > > > > > > many came over > > > > > > > > > > to me, they were talking but I couldn't really hear > > > > > > > > > > anything, it was a > > > > > > > > > > silent dream. Now, it could not possibly have had anything > > > > > > > > > > to do with > > > > > > > > > > me, I've never been to or witness any prison environment. > > > > > > > > > > So I > > > > > > > > > > thought that I was tuning in to the consciousness of a > > > > > > > > > > prisoner. > > > > > > > > > > Where? I don't know but because it was silent I had no clue > > > > > > > > > > indication > > > > > > > > > > of any accent. It could have been in Russia, Poland, the > > > > > > > > > > US, I don't > > > > > > > > > > know but obviously I had somehow "traveled" subconsciously > > > > > > > > > > in order to > > > > > > > > > > be there in the prison yard. Of course there is the time > > > > > > > > > > element, was > > > > > > > > > > it something that happened in the past or was it happening > > > > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > present, which would mean that if I was sleeping in the > > > > > > > > > > middle > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
