On 21 Aug, 08:09, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> This is making the most sense and of course I'm remembering some of
> the other astral conversations we've had, the apparitions we've
> experienced. Very powerful stuff. So it would seem the astral to
> astral projection brings about these types of dreams.
> I was thinking about your formation, the clover and thought that it
> would have to be a group of 4, wouldn't it?
>
Sorry, I've been wanting to respond to this all morning, but the
problem is that I need to do some more research before I outline
anything. However, what I will do, now, is drop the concept that
we've yet to discuss the Ethereal Plane. And, I think my former
categories are more ethereal than truly astral. I'll have a think
over the weekend and recategorise these, with a few additions and
definitions that might help. ;-)
> On Aug 20, 9:15 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 20 Aug, 13:27, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Thanks for putting some constructive glue into the mix. I did need
> > > some platform to work from in order to reformulate my theory and you
> > > provided that. Nice way to put is as far as the consciousness slicing
> > > and the various shapes that define the dimensional regions of
> > > consciousness. Though we did attach a likelihood to everyone in the
> > > dream being in the dream realm, let's look at the possibility that,
> > > the dreamer sitting at the table with us in his dream can't be seen
> > > because of an inability to incarnate. Do you think that is in any way
> > > possible?
>
> > Absolutely. However I would expect it would be that kind of projected
> > entity that would result from a 'proper' astral projection rather than
> > a dream-projection. The main difference being the amount of
> > consciousness retained in waking consciousness, which we associate
> > with this 4-D tangible reality. Alternatively, perhaps the connection
> > to this reality is a function of the (relative) strength of the field
> > of consciousness so projected. This creates a reasonable platform to
> > explain both astral projection (as a medium-strength projection across
> > space from a relatively near timeframe) and ghosts/poltergeists (as a
> > strong projection across space from a relatively more distant
> > timeframe). Thus, there exists the possibility of
> > 1) material-to-material astral projection (normal astral
> > projection performed by living beings whilst 'somewhat' awake) {medium
> > strength field required},
> > 2) astral-to-material astral projection (ghosts/poltergeists)
> > {strong field required} and
> > 3) astral-to-astral projection {weak field required} (dreams).
>
> > Whatcha think?
>
> > > On Aug 20, 7:02 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > On 20 Aug, 12:23, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > Much is true save we don't have to confine it to tangibility or
> > > > > conscious realm where we encounter a fifth person at the table that is
> > > > > there because of his dream. Much of what might occur, in the
> > > > > possibility sense, may be parallel to our physicality. Though I would
> > > > > hope to establish the theory all probability as it stands now might be
> > > > > less than one percent given the fact that there are too many
> > > > > variables. I certainly would not liken the dream to any of the
> > > > > suggested areas mentioned, never watched them. I found the dream to
> > > > > be too real, physically. It is not like watching a movie, it's being
> > > > > there with full awareness and feeling the environment, the shaking
> > > > > hands and exchange of items. Could it be possible that everyone in
> > > > > these dreams are dreaming, all the people at the party?
>
> > > > I think that's far more likely, that is, that all present were
> > > > dreamers, than that any were tangible, as it were. I tend to believe
> > > > it is somewhat akin to a 'parallel' reality, but one that is, as you
> > > > say, common to us all. Perhaps it's a slice across all of our
> > > > consciousnesses? In my theory, our consciousness is one 2-dimensional
> > > > slice of the divine 3-dimensional 'loaf' of consciousness. But, who's
> > > > to say that the loaf can't be sliced in another direction? 2-
> > > > dimensional slices of consciousness that are sliced across different
> > > > angles could account for dreams (a slice 90 degrees across ALL our
> > > > consciousnesses, would create a dreamscape common to us all!) as well
> > > > as direct revelation from above (a slice 90 degrees from both normal
> > > > consciousness and the hypothesised dreamscape slice), as it were!
> > > > And, come to think about it, reincarnation, given a clever slicer who
> > > > can slice the loaf of consciousness in H-like (or Y-like, or E-like,
> > > > or F-like) shapes. This is another clear example of just how powerful
> > > > geometry is/can be.
>
> > > > >While some
> > > > > are waking to consciousness others are arriving in rem stage in a
> > > > > parallel locale, within or without the a collective subconscious and
> > > > > possibly some people or all of the people in the dream are dead,
> > > > > living in afterlife. Remember the dream about meeting my recently
> > > > > decease aunt in the dusty golden glow area where the clouds were
> > > > > swooshing by in a crossways pattern as if invisible beings were flying
> > > > > by. There were no buildings or people, nothing material. She
> > > > > recognized me and asked me where she needed to go, I pointed her in a
> > > > > direction and told her to go there and everything would be alright. I
> > > > > believe it was you that mentioned a similar experience within that
> > > > > golden realm. Even if not it is obvious that this plane of existence
> > > > > is not the only one, at least to me.
>
> > > > Yes, the cloudy, dusty, golden glowing area reminded me of the Heaven-
> > > > side of Limbo, as I perceived it when some friends and I did group
> > > > astral-travelling. (This revelation, I believe, is what led to all
> > > > the 'Flying Harrington' comments.) Maybe it answers the question:
> > > > Where do spirits go after disincarnating? They go a-dreaming.
> > > > Certainly Australian aborigines would appreciate that, as it lends a
> > > > bit of credence to their 'Dream-Time' origin of reality concept.
>
> > > > > On Aug 20, 5:27 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On 19 Aug, 22:16, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > However, literally speaking, the fact that you present a proof
> > > > > > > scenario that validates the dreamscape implies that there is
> > > > > > > still the
> > > > > > > potential possibility. It is just not plausible under your
> > > > > > > current
> > > > > > > microscope and neither was satellite communications in the past,
> > > > > > > nor
> > > > > > > radio, television etc. We don't really know beyond REM stage what
> > > > > > > form of communication takes place within the dream state.
> > > > > > > I had a dream earlier this year, it goes like this:
> > > > > > > I'm in a prison yard, there are all these men with black and white
> > > > > > > horizontally stripped prison clothes. As I was walking many came
> > > > > > > over
> > > > > > > to me, they were talking but I couldn't really hear anything, it
> > > > > > > was a
> > > > > > > silent dream. Now, it could not possibly have had anything to do
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > me, I've never been to or witness any prison environment. So I
> > > > > > > thought that I was tuning in to the consciousness of a prisoner.
> > > > > > > Where? I don't know but because it was silent I had no clue
> > > > > > > indication
> > > > > > > of any accent. It could have been in Russia, Poland, the US, I
> > > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > know but obviously I had somehow "traveled" subconsciously in
> > > > > > > order to
> > > > > > > be there in the prison yard. Of course there is the time
> > > > > > > element, was
> > > > > > > it something that happened in the past or was it happening in the
> > > > > > > present, which would mean that if I was sleeping in the middle of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > night and it was a bright sunny day in the yard then it had to
> > > > > > > occur
> > > > > > > in another time zone.
> > > > > > > Thanks for your contribution Pat.
> > > > > > > Did you get to see the movie Dreamscape yet?
>
> > > > > > No, I haven't seen Dreamscape, yet. Could it have been that,
> > > > > > because you HAVE encountered the prison environment through media
> > > > > > exposure (news clips, newspapers, reality TV, films like 'Stalag 17'
> > > > > > and TV shows like 'Hogan's Heroes') that you have some basis with
> > > > > > which to project an image but your lack of first-hand experience
> > > > > > made
> > > > > > it difficult to create a 'reasonable' dialogue, thus the silence?
> > > > > > If
> > > > > > it were a regular occurence that people travelled to distant (with
> > > > > > respect ot space and time) places and related to real, tangible
> > > > > > things
> > > > > > in their dreams, then the inverse of that would imply that we should
> > > > > > expect to encounter, in our waking lives, dreamers from distant
> > > > > > times/
> > > > > > places. And I know of no one who has reported such things. Unless
> > > > > > all dreamers WE encounter seem to come equipped with their own UFOs,
> > > > > > and either appear like the greys or little green men. And that's
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > to belittle UFO encounters, rather to include them in the
> > > > > > possibility
> > > > > > of how dreaming (given your view) might work. Somehow, I think it's
> > > > > > more likely that the dreamscape, as a subset of consciousness-space,
> > > > > > is more like a 'more abstract model' of our reality--one that is,
> > > > > > more
> > > > > > malleable than our tangible world and one that allows
> > > > > > experimentation
> > > > > > without corrupting the more tangible reality.
>
> > > > > > > On Aug 19, 11:04 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On 19 Aug, 15:46, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > I hereby award you Molly Brogan the esteemed and coveted,
> > > > > > > > > (drum roll
> > > > > > > > > please)
>
> > > > > > > > > "Queen of Thread Purity Award"
>
> > > > > > > > > Tadaaa!! Congratulations!
>
> > > > > > > > > I'm still waiting for Pat to weigh in on the quantum
> > > > > > > > > possibilities
> > > > > > > > > associated with the time perspective of this dream travel
> > > > > > > > > experience.
> > > > > > > > > It's not easy tying in the subconscious with Pat's 16
> > > > > > > > > dimensions of
> > > > > > > > > the boson space that are
>
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