This is making the most sense and of course I'm remembering some of the other astral conversations we've had, the apparitions we've experienced. Very powerful stuff. So it would seem the astral to astral projection brings about these types of dreams. I was thinking about your formation, the clover and thought that it would have to be a group of 4, wouldn't it?
On Aug 20, 9:15 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On 20 Aug, 13:27, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Thanks for putting some constructive glue into the mix. I did need > > some platform to work from in order to reformulate my theory and you > > provided that. Nice way to put is as far as the consciousness slicing > > and the various shapes that define the dimensional regions of > > consciousness. Though we did attach a likelihood to everyone in the > > dream being in the dream realm, let's look at the possibility that, > > the dreamer sitting at the table with us in his dream can't be seen > > because of an inability to incarnate. Do you think that is in any way > > possible? > > Absolutely. However I would expect it would be that kind of projected > entity that would result from a 'proper' astral projection rather than > a dream-projection. The main difference being the amount of > consciousness retained in waking consciousness, which we associate > with this 4-D tangible reality. Alternatively, perhaps the connection > to this reality is a function of the (relative) strength of the field > of consciousness so projected. This creates a reasonable platform to > explain both astral projection (as a medium-strength projection across > space from a relatively near timeframe) and ghosts/poltergeists (as a > strong projection across space from a relatively more distant > timeframe). Thus, there exists the possibility of > 1) material-to-material astral projection (normal astral > projection performed by living beings whilst 'somewhat' awake) {medium > strength field required}, > 2) astral-to-material astral projection (ghosts/poltergeists) > {strong field required} and > 3) astral-to-astral projection {weak field required} (dreams). > > Whatcha think? > > > On Aug 20, 7:02 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 20 Aug, 12:23, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Much is true save we don't have to confine it to tangibility or > > > > conscious realm where we encounter a fifth person at the table that is > > > > there because of his dream. Much of what might occur, in the > > > > possibility sense, may be parallel to our physicality. Though I would > > > > hope to establish the theory all probability as it stands now might be > > > > less than one percent given the fact that there are too many > > > > variables. I certainly would not liken the dream to any of the > > > > suggested areas mentioned, never watched them. I found the dream to > > > > be too real, physically. It is not like watching a movie, it's being > > > > there with full awareness and feeling the environment, the shaking > > > > hands and exchange of items. Could it be possible that everyone in > > > > these dreams are dreaming, all the people at the party? > > > > I think that's far more likely, that is, that all present were > > > dreamers, than that any were tangible, as it were. I tend to believe > > > it is somewhat akin to a 'parallel' reality, but one that is, as you > > > say, common to us all. Perhaps it's a slice across all of our > > > consciousnesses? In my theory, our consciousness is one 2-dimensional > > > slice of the divine 3-dimensional 'loaf' of consciousness. But, who's > > > to say that the loaf can't be sliced in another direction? 2- > > > dimensional slices of consciousness that are sliced across different > > > angles could account for dreams (a slice 90 degrees across ALL our > > > consciousnesses, would create a dreamscape common to us all!) as well > > > as direct revelation from above (a slice 90 degrees from both normal > > > consciousness and the hypothesised dreamscape slice), as it were! > > > And, come to think about it, reincarnation, given a clever slicer who > > > can slice the loaf of consciousness in H-like (or Y-like, or E-like, > > > or F-like) shapes. This is another clear example of just how powerful > > > geometry is/can be. > > > > >While some > > > > are waking to consciousness others are arriving in rem stage in a > > > > parallel locale, within or without the a collective subconscious and > > > > possibly some people or all of the people in the dream are dead, > > > > living in afterlife. Remember the dream about meeting my recently > > > > decease aunt in the dusty golden glow area where the clouds were > > > > swooshing by in a crossways pattern as if invisible beings were flying > > > > by. There were no buildings or people, nothing material. She > > > > recognized me and asked me where she needed to go, I pointed her in a > > > > direction and told her to go there and everything would be alright. I > > > > believe it was you that mentioned a similar experience within that > > > > golden realm. Even if not it is obvious that this plane of existence > > > > is not the only one, at least to me. > > > > Yes, the cloudy, dusty, golden glowing area reminded me of the Heaven- > > > side of Limbo, as I perceived it when some friends and I did group > > > astral-travelling. (This revelation, I believe, is what led to all > > > the 'Flying Harrington' comments.) Maybe it answers the question: > > > Where do spirits go after disincarnating? They go a-dreaming. > > > Certainly Australian aborigines would appreciate that, as it lends a > > > bit of credence to their 'Dream-Time' origin of reality concept. > > > > > On Aug 20, 5:27 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On 19 Aug, 22:16, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > However, literally speaking, the fact that you present a proof > > > > > > scenario that validates the dreamscape implies that there is still > > > > > > the > > > > > > potential possibility. It is just not plausible under your current > > > > > > microscope and neither was satellite communications in the past, nor > > > > > > radio, television etc. We don't really know beyond REM stage what > > > > > > form of communication takes place within the dream state. > > > > > > I had a dream earlier this year, it goes like this: > > > > > > I'm in a prison yard, there are all these men with black and white > > > > > > horizontally stripped prison clothes. As I was walking many came > > > > > > over > > > > > > to me, they were talking but I couldn't really hear anything, it > > > > > > was a > > > > > > silent dream. Now, it could not possibly have had anything to do > > > > > > with > > > > > > me, I've never been to or witness any prison environment. So I > > > > > > thought that I was tuning in to the consciousness of a prisoner. > > > > > > Where? I don't know but because it was silent I had no clue > > > > > > indication > > > > > > of any accent. It could have been in Russia, Poland, the US, I > > > > > > don't > > > > > > know but obviously I had somehow "traveled" subconsciously in order > > > > > > to > > > > > > be there in the prison yard. Of course there is the time element, > > > > > > was > > > > > > it something that happened in the past or was it happening in the > > > > > > present, which would mean that if I was sleeping in the middle of > > > > > > the > > > > > > night and it was a bright sunny day in the yard then it had to occur > > > > > > in another time zone. > > > > > > Thanks for your contribution Pat. > > > > > > Did you get to see the movie Dreamscape yet? > > > > > > No, I haven't seen Dreamscape, yet. Could it have been that, > > > > > because you HAVE encountered the prison environment through media > > > > > exposure (news clips, newspapers, reality TV, films like 'Stalag 17' > > > > > and TV shows like 'Hogan's Heroes') that you have some basis with > > > > > which to project an image but your lack of first-hand experience made > > > > > it difficult to create a 'reasonable' dialogue, thus the silence? If > > > > > it were a regular occurence that people travelled to distant (with > > > > > respect ot space and time) places and related to real, tangible things > > > > > in their dreams, then the inverse of that would imply that we should > > > > > expect to encounter, in our waking lives, dreamers from distant times/ > > > > > places. And I know of no one who has reported such things. Unless > > > > > all dreamers WE encounter seem to come equipped with their own UFOs, > > > > > and either appear like the greys or little green men. And that's not > > > > > to belittle UFO encounters, rather to include them in the possibility > > > > > of how dreaming (given your view) might work. Somehow, I think it's > > > > > more likely that the dreamscape, as a subset of consciousness-space, > > > > > is more like a 'more abstract model' of our reality--one that is, more > > > > > malleable than our tangible world and one that allows experimentation > > > > > without corrupting the more tangible reality. > > > > > > > On Aug 19, 11:04 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 19 Aug, 15:46, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I hereby award you Molly Brogan the esteemed and coveted, (drum > > > > > > > > roll > > > > > > > > please) > > > > > > > > > "Queen of Thread Purity Award" > > > > > > > > > Tadaaa!! Congratulations! > > > > > > > > > I'm still waiting for Pat to weigh in on the quantum > > > > > > > > possibilities > > > > > > > > associated with the time perspective of this dream travel > > > > > > > > experience. > > > > > > > > It's not easy tying in the subconscious with Pat's 16 > > > > > > > > dimensions of > > > > > > > > the boson space that are interleaved and twisted together and > > > > > > > > stretched to > > > > > > > > the most gossamer of all thread like structures that spreads > > > > > > > > completely throughout a torus. > > > > > > > > > I'm sure that at some point in the future, should enough > > > > > > > > attention be > > > > > > > > paid to it, the quantum dream travel experience will find it's > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > into the scientific world's list of most notable discoveries. > > > > > > > > I wouldn't want to burst the bubble of your quantum dream > > > > > > > foam, but > > > > > > > the concept doesn't pass Occam's razor for me. 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