I completely agree with this, and also think they should teach visual thinking, which is a powerful tool for memory, imagination and creative thinking, I was fortunate enough to work with a group at the SIU psychology dept. years ago with bio feedback etc. Everyone should be so fortunate.
On Aug 20, 12:53 pm, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > On 20 Aug, 17:41, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I think that while we sleep, we are able to vividly dream, astral > > project, past (or future) life view , sometimes all in one night, as > > we are able to access the more subtle realms of being. Even our brain > > wave readings will bear this out in REM, alpha, theta and gamma > > included more than in waking states. The reason that I say that > > whatever we can do in sleep, we can do in waking life, is that I think > > we can incorporate more and more of these states (including the brain > > waves) in waking life as our normal waking state. Most of us report > > these experiences during sleep or deep meditation, yet some, like > > remote viewers, are able to achieve them during waking hours. > > I agree. I think that it's down to the relative strengths of those > waveforms (alpha, beta and theta) as to what we can do/where we can > go. Too bad they don't teach (how to do) this in High School. ;-) > > > On Aug 20, 10:15 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On 20 Aug, 13:27, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Thanks for putting some constructive glue into the mix. I did need > > > > some platform to work from in order to reformulate my theory and you > > > > provided that. Nice way to put is as far as the consciousness slicing > > > > and the various shapes that define the dimensional regions of > > > > consciousness. Though we did attach a likelihood to everyone in the > > > > dream being in the dream realm, let's look at the possibility that, > > > > the dreamer sitting at the table with us in his dream can't be seen > > > > because of an inability to incarnate. Do you think that is in any way > > > > possible? > > > > Absolutely. However I would expect it would be that kind of projected > > > entity that would result from a 'proper' astral projection rather than > > > a dream-projection. The main difference being the amount of > > > consciousness retained in waking consciousness, which we associate > > > with this 4-D tangible reality. Alternatively, perhaps the connection > > > to this reality is a function of the (relative) strength of the field > > > of consciousness so projected. This creates a reasonable platform to > > > explain both astral projection (as a medium-strength projection across > > > space from a relatively near timeframe) and ghosts/poltergeists (as a > > > strong projection across space from a relatively more distant > > > timeframe). Thus, there exists the possibility of > > > 1) material-to-material astral projection (normal astral > > > projection performed by living beings whilst 'somewhat' awake) {medium > > > strength field required}, > > > 2) astral-to-material astral projection (ghosts/poltergeists) > > > {strong field required} and > > > 3) astral-to-astral projection {weak field required} (dreams). > > > > Whatcha think? > > > > > On Aug 20, 7:02 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On 20 Aug, 12:23, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Much is true save we don't have to confine it to tangibility or > > > > > > conscious realm where we encounter a fifth person at the table that > > > > > > is > > > > > > there because of his dream. Much of what might occur, in the > > > > > > possibility sense, may be parallel to our physicality. Though I > > > > > > would > > > > > > hope to establish the theory all probability as it stands now might > > > > > > be > > > > > > less than one percent given the fact that there are too many > > > > > > variables. I certainly would not liken the dream to any of the > > > > > > suggested areas mentioned, never watched them. I found the dream to > > > > > > be too real, physically. It is not like watching a movie, it's > > > > > > being > > > > > > there with full awareness and feeling the environment, the shaking > > > > > > hands and exchange of items. Could it be possible that everyone in > > > > > > these dreams are dreaming, all the people at the party? > > > > > > I think that's far more likely, that is, that all present were > > > > > dreamers, than that any were tangible, as it were. I tend to believe > > > > > it is somewhat akin to a 'parallel' reality, but one that is, as you > > > > > say, common to us all. Perhaps it's a slice across all of our > > > > > consciousnesses? In my theory, our consciousness is one 2-dimensional > > > > > slice of the divine 3-dimensional 'loaf' of consciousness. But, who's > > > > > to say that the loaf can't be sliced in another direction? 2- > > > > > dimensional slices of consciousness that are sliced across different > > > > > angles could account for dreams (a slice 90 degrees across ALL our > > > > > consciousnesses, would create a dreamscape common to us all!) as well > > > > > as direct revelation from above (a slice 90 degrees from both normal > > > > > consciousness and the hypothesised dreamscape slice), as it were! > > > > > And, come to think about it, reincarnation, given a clever slicer who > > > > > can slice the loaf of consciousness in H-like (or Y-like, or E-like, > > > > > or F-like) shapes. This is another clear example of just how powerful > > > > > geometry is/can be. > > > > > > >While some > > > > > > are waking to consciousness others are arriving in rem stage in a > > > > > > parallel locale, within or without the a collective subconscious and > > > > > > possibly some people or all of the people in the dream are dead, > > > > > > living in afterlife. Remember the dream about meeting my recently > > > > > > decease aunt in the dusty golden glow area where the clouds were > > > > > > swooshing by in a crossways pattern as if invisible beings were > > > > > > flying > > > > > > by. There were no buildings or people, nothing material. She > > > > > > recognized me and asked me where she needed to go, I pointed her in > > > > > > a > > > > > > direction and told her to go there and everything would be alright. > > > > > > I > > > > > > believe it was you that mentioned a similar experience within that > > > > > > golden realm. Even if not it is obvious that this plane of > > > > > > existence > > > > > > is not the only one, at least to me. > > > > > > Yes, the cloudy, dusty, golden glowing area reminded me of the Heaven- > > > > > side of Limbo, as I perceived it when some friends and I did group > > > > > astral-travelling. (This revelation, I believe, is what led to all > > > > > the 'Flying Harrington' comments.) Maybe it answers the question: > > > > > Where do spirits go after disincarnating? They go a-dreaming. > > > > > Certainly Australian aborigines would appreciate that, as it lends a > > > > > bit of credence to their 'Dream-Time' origin of reality concept. > > > > > > > On Aug 20, 5:27 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 19 Aug, 22:16, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > However, literally speaking, the fact that you present a proof > > > > > > > > scenario that validates the dreamscape implies that there is > > > > > > > > still the > > > > > > > > potential possibility. It is just not plausible under your > > > > > > > > current > > > > > > > > microscope and neither was satellite communications in the > > > > > > > > past, nor > > > > > > > > radio, television etc. We don't really know beyond REM stage > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > form of communication takes place within the dream state. > > > > > > > > I had a dream earlier this year, it goes like this: > > > > > > > > I'm in a prison yard, there are all these men with black and > > > > > > > > white > > > > > > > > horizontally stripped prison clothes. As I was walking many > > > > > > > > came over > > > > > > > > to me, they were talking but I couldn't really hear anything, > > > > > > > > it was a > > > > > > > > silent dream. Now, it could not possibly have had anything to > > > > > > > > do with > > > > > > > > me, I've never been to or witness any prison environment. So I > > > > > > > > thought that I was tuning in to the consciousness of a prisoner. > > > > > > > > Where? I don't know but because it was silent I had no clue > > > > > > > > indication > > > > > > > > of any accent. It could have been in Russia, Poland, the US, I > > > > > > > > don't > > > > > > > > know but obviously I had somehow "traveled" subconsciously in > > > > > > > > order to > > > > > > > > be there in the prison yard. Of course there is the time > > > > > > > > element, was > > > > > > > > it something that happened in the past or was it happening in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > present, which would mean that if I was sleeping in the middle > > > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > > night and it was a bright sunny day in the yard then it had to > > > > > > > > occur > > > > > > > > in another time zone. > > > > > > > > Thanks for your contribution Pat. > > > > > > > > Did you get to see the movie Dreamscape yet? > > > > > > > > No, I haven't seen Dreamscape, yet. Could it have been that, > > > > > > > because you HAVE encountered the prison environment through media > > > > > > > exposure (news clips, newspapers, reality TV, films like 'Stalag > > > > > > > 17' > > > > > > > and TV shows like 'Hogan's Heroes') that you have some basis with > > > > > > > which to project an image but your lack of first-hand experience > > > > > > > made > > > > > > > it difficult to create a 'reasonable' dialogue, thus the silence? > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > it were a regular occurence that people travelled to distant (with > > > > > > > respect ot space and time) places and related to real, tangible > > > > > > > things > > > > > > > in their dreams, then the inverse of that would imply that we > > > > > > > should > > > > > > > expect to encounter, in our waking lives, dreamers from distant > > > > > > > times/ > > > > > > > places. And I know of no one who has reported such things. > > > > > > > Unless > > > > > > > all dreamers WE encounter seem to come equipped with their own > > > > > > > UFOs, > > > > > > > and either appear like the greys or little green men. And that's > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > to belittle UFO encounters, rather to include them in the > > > > > > > possibility > > > > > > > of how dreaming (given your view) might work. Somehow, I think > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > > more likely that the dreamscape, as a subset of > > > > > > > consciousness-space, > > > > > > > is more like a 'more abstract model' of > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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