You would be wrong I'm afraid Slip. I have always been like this, before even spirtual matters took ahold in my life.
It is though a logical conclusion, and one bassed around the commitment to not living the hypocritical life. Compassion should not have cavets attached, or do you think otherwise? What about the differance between this chap and Ronnie Biggs, is it merely the level of the crime? Your thoughts about the family of criminals are not logicaly sound, I think perhaps your stance stems from an emotional place instead? You are correct I would not like to see any punishment for the familes of those who have commited crime. We all apply rules to our own lives, and one of mine is and always has been trying to see things from the other perspective. What Slip if your sister was imprisioned in a foriegn country for a killing spree, and she had developed cancer but was refused compasinate leave to come home and die, would you not be upset, would you be shouting at the callousness of those that refused your compassionate reasoning? If you would answer that indeed you would be upset, that you would find it unfair and callouse and not compassionate then, to apply this to yourself only and no other is hypocritical yes? What is the logic for such a stance? Lets also talk a little about the role of punishment and blame. If I killed a man and died in prison, your stance says that I have brought that upon my family, that I am to blame. What then of determinism, can I not lay that blame on my culture, my upbringing, society, the eon I find myself born into, my genetic stock? Ultimatly and logical we should all be Rastaferians, and call for repatriation back to the mother land, yes sir all hail Marcus Garvey! Heh and yes I am of course anti death penalty. Again, to kill somebody for the crime of killing, makes no logical sense to me. On 24 Aug, 15:13, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > I have a feeling that your "religious" beliefs are supporting your > position on compassion. Do you own a anti-death penalty placard? > > If his family is punished it is because he created the cycle that > would lead to the punishment. I suppose you think we, here in the US, > should let Charles Manson go home if he becomes terminally ill with > cancer, after all you don't want to punish his family, do you? > > Or how about Gary Ridgway, Lee? The green river killer who claimed to > have raped, tortured and killed over 90 young women and teenage > girls. You wouldn't want Mr. Ridgway's family to be punished, now > would you? You think we should send him home to die in the comforting > arm of his family. > > You sense of compassion is maligned, in my view of course. > > On Aug 24, 6:30 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > I really don't know about this man's innocence or his guilt, it is > > irrelevant to 'compassion' > > > My dad while I was in my teens got pretty badly stabbed up, he died > > and was resusercated, his attaker got a two year suspended sentance, > > suspended for two years. He never done any jail time, but evn if my > > father had died, and this man had spent no matter how many years > > inside, I would still have no qualms about his realease on > > 'Compassionate' grounds. > > > After all as I have asked, why should his family be punished for his > > deeds? > > > As the familes of the bombing yes of course I feel for them, but you > > said yourself 'some form of closer'. The bloke has been inside, he has > > served time for the crime, now he is dieing, why should he not be able > > to die at home, why should his wife and kids not be aforded that? > > > What in essance you are saying here, is that this man nor his family > > should be shown no comppasion. > > > I also cannot understand that sort of mindset. To me it shows the > > same lack of respect for life that this man has been punished for. > > There for the grace of god perhaps? > > > I have never been an 'eye for an eye' type of person, I see it as > > pointless and endulging in the kind of behaviour that it seeks to rail > > against. I grew up telling myself this, I can lower myself to the > > standards of those whos behaviour I find abhorent, or I can choose to > > be the better man and rise above it. > > > You can do this also you know. I find 'Compassion' a far better thing > > than 'Revenge' > > > On 24 Aug, 12:18, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Ah but imagine if it was your father or your wife or, God forbid, one > > > of your children that was killed in the bombing. Imagine the pain and > > > loss and agony of nobody paying for this horrible crime for years > > > until finally a man is charged and eventually convicted and you and > > > your family get some form of closure. Until now. Having that scumbag > > > Qaddafi invovled just makes it 10 times as bad. The 'heroes welcome' > > > was another slap to the face to family members. Who deserves the > > > compassion here Lee? Sometimes other people's opinions baffle me. > > > > If you think the man is innocent that's different. I know nothing > > > about this case except what I've heard recently. Personally, if he's > > > guilty I think he should have been executed. > > > > dj > > > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 5:14 AM, > > > > [email protected]<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > You know personaly this has made me shout at the TV more than I > > > > normaly do. > > > > > Let me see if this make logical sense, because to mind mind there > > > > seems to be something that has been forgotten in all of the news and > > > > upheaveal sorrounding this. > > > > > A man that was found guilty of a crime and has serverd a good few > > > > years imprisonment for it has been realsed on compassionant grounds, > > > > he is not a residant of the UK, he is dying of cancer and he has been > > > > sent home to die. > > > > > We had a similar thing here the other week with Ronnie Biggs the great > > > > train robber, there has not been the same level of ill will about > > > > that, not by a longshot. > > > > > So the conclusion I have reached is one of the severity of the crime, > > > > and the level of or lack of commpasion that should or has been shown. > > > > > To my mind what is missing in the news coverage is this word > > > > compassion. I can only find therefore that all of those who feel > > > > outraged belive that no compassion should be show. That in my mid IS > > > > outragouse, why should any dieing mans family feel punished for the > > > > crimes of the father? > > > > > If it was my dad in prison, I would love to have him home to die, > > > > easpecily if he was imprisoned in a foriegn country. > > > > > The Scotish legal system has shown high ethical standards here, and it > > > > upsets me, and angers me that we as a speices seem to lack a sense of > > > > compassion, and turn instead in anger upon the very people who show > > > > such compassion. Man it leaves a sour taste in my mouth, I feel > > > > ashamed, truely I do. > > > > > On 23 Aug, 00:43, BB47 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> On Aug 22, 2:26 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > We release a probably not guilty patsy. > > > > >> You used the word "probably" so it sounds like you reached some level > > > >> of conclusion, yet later you say that there is no way we will ever > > > >> know? Did you see every shred of evidence presented in court? I > > > >> didn't, you might have. All I know is that somebody was responsible > > > >> and that it appears to me that all parties reacted somewhat poorly, > > > >> including the celebration at the airport. The "patsy" part? > > > >> Possible, but again you seem to have reached a conclusion. > > > > >> > No doubt some long done > > > >> > commercial 'deal' was involved. > > > > >> No doubt? I have some doubt. I can't say either way > > > > >> > Embarrassment over our pathetic legal > > > > >> > systems is avoided. > > > > >> Pathetic in comparison or just the whole lot of them? Why are they > > > >> pathetic? > > > > >> >This was surely enough to inflict on us as a > > > >> > public. The authorities cannot resist piling more on. All sorts of > > > >> > ministers and legal agents used to crawling out from under rocks and > > > >> > trading drugs for arms amongst our enemies now tell us their honour > > > >> > is > > > >> > insulted as they scramble to bask in the sordid sun of moral high > > > >> > ground. The real message is that we will never know the truth about > > > >> > Lockerbie and that we are unpatriotic even to think them capable of > > > >> > dreadful lies, despite history constantly revealing this is what they > > > >> > do. I wonder if we could list the typical lies they tell? > > > > >> Sure, go ahead and list them if it makes you feel better or for any > > > >> other reason, I won't mind. > > > >> Maybe we can set up some sort of "court" in here in regards to the > > > >> accusations of the lies and we could conduct it in your way so that it > > > >> would not be "pathetic?"- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
