> I have always been like this, before even spirtual matters took ahold > in my life. > > It is though a logical conclusion, and one bassed around the > commitment to not living the hypocritical life.<<Lee
Really though, right there you are saying your conclusion is based on the "commitment" of not living hypocritical, commitment to your beliefs, your religion. If my sister (though I don't have one) went on a killing spree in a foreign country I wouldn't have anything to do with her, fact is she might decide to kill me for some reason if I took her in, she might want to take me and my family with her. She's a murderer, why do I want her? She could rot in jail for all I care, I didn't tell her to kill people. I'm sure you know the story about the scorpion and the frog. I've lived by a very simply rule: People can do whatever they want in life as long as they suffer the consequences of their actions; when I have to suffer the consequences of their actions I have a problem. I give my advice and then you do what you want, just don't come back to me with your woe. It's a simple clear cut no nonsense way of living that works really well for me. On Aug 24, 9:30 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > You would be wrong I'm afraid Slip. > > I have always been like this, before even spirtual matters took ahold > in my life. > > It is though a logical conclusion, and one bassed around the > commitment to not living the hypocritical life. > > Compassion should not have cavets attached, or do you think > otherwise? What about the differance between this chap and Ronnie > Biggs, is it merely the level of the crime? > > Your thoughts about the family of criminals are not logicaly sound, I > think perhaps your stance stems from an emotional place instead? You > are correct I would not like to see any punishment for the familes of > those who have commited crime. > > We all apply rules to our own lives, and one of mine is and always has > been trying to see things from the other perspective. What Slip if > your sister was imprisioned in a foriegn country for a killing spree, > and she had developed cancer but was refused compasinate leave to come > home and die, would you not be upset, would you be shouting at the > callousness of those that refused your compassionate reasoning? > > If you would answer that indeed you would be upset, that you would > find it unfair and callouse and not compassionate then, to apply this > to yourself only and no other is hypocritical yes? > > What is the logic for such a stance? > > Lets also talk a little about the role of punishment and blame. If I > killed a man and died in prison, your stance says that I have brought > that upon my family, that I am to blame. > > What then of determinism, can I not lay that blame on my culture, my > upbringing, society, the eon I find myself born into, my genetic > stock? > > Ultimatly and logical we should all be Rastaferians, and call for > repatriation back to the mother land, yes sir all hail Marcus Garvey! > > Heh and yes I am of course anti death penalty. Again, to kill somebody > for the crime of killing, makes no logical sense to me. > > On 24 Aug, 15:13, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I have a feeling that your "religious" beliefs are supporting your > > position on compassion. Do you own a anti-death penalty placard? > > > If his family is punished it is because he created the cycle that > > would lead to the punishment. I suppose you think we, here in the US, > > should let Charles Manson go home if he becomes terminally ill with > > cancer, after all you don't want to punish his family, do you? > > > Or how about Gary Ridgway, Lee? The green river killer who claimed to > > have raped, tortured and killed over 90 young women and teenage > > girls. You wouldn't want Mr. Ridgway's family to be punished, now > > would you? You think we should send him home to die in the comforting > > arm of his family. > > > You sense of compassion is maligned, in my view of course. > > > On Aug 24, 6:30 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > I really don't know about this man's innocence or his guilt, it is > > > irrelevant to 'compassion' > > > > My dad while I was in my teens got pretty badly stabbed up, he died > > > and was resusercated, his attaker got a two year suspended sentance, > > > suspended for two years. He never done any jail time, but evn if my > > > father had died, and this man had spent no matter how many years > > > inside, I would still have no qualms about his realease on > > > 'Compassionate' grounds. > > > > After all as I have asked, why should his family be punished for his > > > deeds? > > > > As the familes of the bombing yes of course I feel for them, but you > > > said yourself 'some form of closer'. The bloke has been inside, he has > > > served time for the crime, now he is dieing, why should he not be able > > > to die at home, why should his wife and kids not be aforded that? > > > > What in essance you are saying here, is that this man nor his family > > > should be shown no comppasion. > > > > I also cannot understand that sort of mindset. To me it shows the > > > same lack of respect for life that this man has been punished for. > > > There for the grace of god perhaps? > > > > I have never been an 'eye for an eye' type of person, I see it as > > > pointless and endulging in the kind of behaviour that it seeks to rail > > > against. I grew up telling myself this, I can lower myself to the > > > standards of those whos behaviour I find abhorent, or I can choose to > > > be the better man and rise above it. > > > > You can do this also you know. I find 'Compassion' a far better thing > > > than 'Revenge' > > > > On 24 Aug, 12:18, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Ah but imagine if it was your father or your wife or, God forbid, one > > > > of your children that was killed in the bombing. Imagine the pain and > > > > loss and agony of nobody paying for this horrible crime for years > > > > until finally a man is charged and eventually convicted and you and > > > > your family get some form of closure. Until now. Having that scumbag > > > > Qaddafi invovled just makes it 10 times as bad. The 'heroes welcome' > > > > was another slap to the face to family members. Who deserves the > > > > compassion here Lee? Sometimes other people's opinions baffle me. > > > > > If you think the man is innocent that's different. I know nothing > > > > about this case except what I've heard recently. Personally, if he's > > > > guilty I think he should have been executed. > > > > > dj > > > > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 5:14 AM, > > > > > [email protected]<[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > You know personaly this has made me shout at the TV more than I > > > > > normaly do. > > > > > > Let me see if this make logical sense, because to mind mind there > > > > > seems to be something that has been forgotten in all of the news and > > > > > upheaveal sorrounding this. > > > > > > A man that was found guilty of a crime and has serverd a good few > > > > > years imprisonment for it has been realsed on compassionant grounds, > > > > > he is not a residant of the UK, he is dying of cancer and he has been > > > > > sent home to die. > > > > > > We had a similar thing here the other week with Ronnie Biggs the great > > > > > train robber, there has not been the same level of ill will about > > > > > that, not by a longshot. > > > > > > So the conclusion I have reached is one of the severity of the crime, > > > > > and the level of or lack of commpasion that should or has been shown. > > > > > > To my mind what is missing in the news coverage is this word > > > > > compassion. I can only find therefore that all of those who feel > > > > > outraged belive that no compassion should be show. That in my mid IS > > > > > outragouse, why should any dieing mans family feel punished for the > > > > > crimes of the father? > > > > > > If it was my dad in prison, I would love to have him home to die, > > > > > easpecily if he was imprisoned in a foriegn country. > > > > > > The Scotish legal system has shown high ethical standards here, and it > > > > > upsets me, and angers me that we as a speices seem to lack a sense of > > > > > compassion, and turn instead in anger upon the very people who show > > > > > such compassion. Man it leaves a sour taste in my mouth, I feel > > > > > ashamed, truely I do. > > > > > > On 23 Aug, 00:43, BB47 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> On Aug 22, 2:26 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >> > We release a probably not guilty patsy. > > > > > >> You used the word "probably" so it sounds like you reached some level > > > > >> of conclusion, yet later you say that there is no way we will ever > > > > >> know? Did you see every shred of evidence presented in court? I > > > > >> didn't, you might have. All I know is that somebody was responsible > > > > >> and that it appears to me that all parties reacted somewhat poorly, > > > > >> including the celebration at the airport. The "patsy" part? > > > > >> Possible, but again you seem to have reached a conclusion. > > > > > >> > No doubt some long done > > > > >> > commercial 'deal' was involved. > > > > > >> No doubt? I have some doubt. I can't say either way > > > > > >> > Embarrassment over our pathetic legal > > > > > >> > systems is avoided. > > > > > >> Pathetic in comparison or just the whole lot of them? Why are they > > > > >> pathetic? > > > > > >> >This was surely enough to inflict on us as a > > > > >> > public. The authorities cannot resist piling more on. All sorts > > > > >> > of > > > > >> > ministers and legal agents used to crawling out from under rocks > > > > >> > and > > > > >> > trading drugs for arms amongst our enemies now tell us their > > > > >> > honour is > > > > >> > insulted as they scramble to bask in the sordid sun of moral high > > > > >> > ground. The real message is that we will never know the truth > > > > >> > about > > > > >> > Lockerbie and that we are unpatriotic even to think them capable of > > > > >> > dreadful lies, despite history constantly revealing this is what > > > > >> > they > > > > >> > do. I wonder if we could list the typical lies they tell? > > > > > >> Sure, go ahead and list them if it makes you feel better or for any > > > > >> other reason, I won't mind. > > > > >> Maybe we can set up some sort of "court" in here in regards to the > > > > >> accusations of the lies and we could conduct it in your way so that > > > > >> it > > > > >> would not be "pathetic?"- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
