"...Could you imagine what would have happened if the weasel had the
diplomatic
and political skills of Obama instead of being a school yard bully..."
- ID

Well, he was able to get himself appointed leader, didn't he? That is
either astute or criminal...either way....

On Aug 24, 11:28 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
> LOL  yeah guess it could be viewed that way in a weird sort of way..  but
> that take over goes way back to Regan and republican party  they even went
> so far as going to Iran  and negotiated a deal where  the terrorist would
> hold prisoners until after the US Election passed.  They used American
> citizens being held prisoners to het Regan elected..
>
> The problems start when irresponsible politician go after there own agenda,,
> not the good of the citizen.
>
> Could you imagine what would have happened if the weasel had the diplomatic
> and political skills of Obama instead of being a school yard bully. To me
> the thought would be frightening.
> Allan
>
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 7:44 PM, ornamentalmind 
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Well Allan, IF that is the entire story, then I guess we can give Bush
> > et al the credit for saving  the US, no? :-)
>
> > On Aug 24, 10:42 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Well the american democracy ushered in the Bush and the republican party
> > > There are massive similarities..  the only thing that saved the US is the
> > > recession
> > > Allan
>
> > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 7:17 PM, ornamentalmind <
> > [email protected]>wrote:
>
> > > > ...and of course, Germany was a democracy that ushered the Nazi party
> > > > into parliament.
>
> > > > On Aug 24, 6:34 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Heh heh no what was that about moral subjectivity again!
>
> > > > > On 24 Aug, 14:02, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Well expressed point Ian.  In Bahrain, women have voted more
> > > > > > conservatively than men since the new constitution.  It might even
> > be
> > > > > > that women will vote for such draconian 'male laws'.  I can't get
> > the
> > > > > > name right, but there's a Taliban in Nigeria (something like Nagwag
> > > > > > Bozo - though he was a real idiot I knew).  The name means
> > 'destroyers
> > > > > > of education' or somesuch.  I might have more time for democracy if
> > I
> > > > > > didn't have to spend so much time wondering which of my wives
> > should
> > > > > > enjoy cleaning my toenails tonight with a toothbrush and how many
> > of
> > > > > > the others  I should deign allow the dignity of pleasuring me in
> > order
> > > > > > they may increase their small chance of entering heaven, where I
> > shall
> > > > > > reject them in any case for fresh virgin.  I used to vote myself,
> > but
> > > > > > now that uneducated women can it is easier just to send the harem
> > off,
> > > > > > certain in the knowledge they will do the job for me in order to
> > keep
> > > > > > the only life of bliss they know.  A democracy of fools is perhaps
> > no
> > > > > > democracy at all.  Even our taxes are low, now that you British
> > send
> > > > > > soldiers over to suppress our hotheads, though your chaps are not
> > as
> > > > > > cooperative as the Americans when it comes to the profitable
> > > > > > distribution of our poppy crop.  Perhaps you could depress the
> > already
> > > > > > squalid living standards of their wives and children back in the UK
> > > > > > further, in order to increase demand for poppy derivatives?
>
> > > > > > On 24 Aug, 12:55, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > ask the magic conch shell!
> > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MINiYurEsOs
>
> > > > > > > On Aug 24, 7:44 am, "[email protected]" <
> > > > [email protected]>
> > > > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Okay Ian, Now you are scarring me.  Twice I find myself
> > agreeing
> > > > with
> > > > > > > > you in one day!
>
> > > > > > > > Whilst not strictly a pacifist, I do find myself thinking,
> > 'war,
> > > > what
> > > > > > > > is it good for?', okay yes I know my history and I myself have
> > > > > > > > proclimed that I too use violence when I have to.
>
> > > > > > > > Yet another way must be possible.
>
> > > > > > > > I find myself in the uneviable position also of haveing to
> > declare
> > > > my
> > > > > > > > dislike for your avargae squaddy, belive me I know a lot of
> > them
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > have never met a decent one amongst them, and of course this
> > then
> > > > gets
> > > > > > > > seen as 'I do not support our troops'.  Well in reality I do
> > not
> > > > > > > > support war, and I think our(UK) goverment are guilty of taking
> > > > normal
> > > > > > > > teenagers into the armed forces, letting them serve their time
> > and
> > > > > > > > turning them back out into civy street without the nesicary
> > > > > > > > unprograming needed to let them live a life outside of the
> > armed
> > > > > > > > forces.  I blame this soley on the goverment.
>
> > > > > > > > Ahh what to do what to do?
>
> > > > > > > > On 24 Aug, 12:36, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > 2009/8/24 Molly Brogan <[email protected]>
>
> > > > > > > > > > Are you blaming democracy for the passing of this law?
>
> > > > > > > > > No, I'm:
>
> > > > > > > > > 1) Highlighting that this supposedly moral mission of
> > bringing
> > > > democracy to
> > > > > > > > > the Afghan people was worthless, given that the elected
> > > > government is
> > > > > > > > > pursuing a similarly repugnant agenda to the Taliban's
> > previous
> > > > one.
>
> > > > > > > > > 2) Pondering the notion of absolute truths.
>
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