I agree with you there,, it has decreased in my life time.. I think it is mainly due to the rich getting the concept that a corporation is a person with all of its rights as a person plus the super vote.
The truth is Bush was and is not smart enough or politically astute enough to get himself appointed.. He is also the type of person that tries and buy their friends so he was very manipulatable so the people that were able to get him appointed were able to do so.. Allan On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:53 AM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > Democracy has an ignoble past - the Athenian democracy was genocidal. > What we need is direct democracy and new forms of public scrutiny > linked to education, all with counterveiling fail-safes and checks. > My guess is that I've seen democracy (in the spirit we mean the word) > decrease severely in my lifetime. > > On 24 Aug, 23:55, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > "...Could you imagine what would have happened if the weasel had the > > diplomatic > > and political skills of Obama instead of being a school yard bully..." > > - ID > > > > Well, he was able to get himself appointed leader, didn't he? That is > > either astute or criminal...either way.... > > > > On Aug 24, 11:28 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > LOL yeah guess it could be viewed that way in a weird sort of way.. > but > > > that take over goes way back to Regan and republican party they even > went > > > so far as going to Iran and negotiated a deal where the terrorist > would > > > hold prisoners until after the US Election passed. They used American > > > citizens being held prisoners to het Regan elected.. > > > > > The problems start when irresponsible politician go after there own > agenda,, > > > not the good of the citizen. > > > > > Could you imagine what would have happened if the weasel had the > diplomatic > > > and political skills of Obama instead of being a school yard bully. To > me > > > the thought would be frightening. > > > Allan > > > > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 7:44 PM, ornamentalmind < > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > Well Allan, IF that is the entire story, then I guess we can give > Bush > > > > et al the credit for saving the US, no? :-) > > > > > > On Aug 24, 10:42 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Well the american democracy ushered in the Bush and the republican > party > > > > > There are massive similarities.. the only thing that saved the US > is the > > > > > recession > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 7:17 PM, ornamentalmind < > > > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > ...and of course, Germany was a democracy that ushered the Nazi > party > > > > > > into parliament. > > > > > > > > On Aug 24, 6:34 am, "[email protected]" < > [email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Heh heh no what was that about moral subjectivity again! > > > > > > > > > On 24 Aug, 14:02, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well expressed point Ian. In Bahrain, women have voted more > > > > > > > > conservatively than men since the new constitution. It might > even > > > > be > > > > > > > > that women will vote for such draconian 'male laws'. I can't > get > > > > the > > > > > > > > name right, but there's a Taliban in Nigeria (something like > Nagwag > > > > > > > > Bozo - though he was a real idiot I knew). The name means > > > > 'destroyers > > > > > > > > of education' or somesuch. I might have more time for > democracy if > > > > I > > > > > > > > didn't have to spend so much time wondering which of my wives > > > > should > > > > > > > > enjoy cleaning my toenails tonight with a toothbrush and how > many > > > > of > > > > > > > > the others I should deign allow the dignity of pleasuring me > in > > > > order > > > > > > > > they may increase their small chance of entering heaven, > where I > > > > shall > > > > > > > > reject them in any case for fresh virgin. I used to vote > myself, > > > > but > > > > > > > > now that uneducated women can it is easier just to send the > harem > > > > off, > > > > > > > > certain in the knowledge they will do the job for me in order > to > > > > keep > > > > > > > > the only life of bliss they know. A democracy of fools is > perhaps > > > > no > > > > > > > > democracy at all. Even our taxes are low, now that you > British > > > > send > > > > > > > > soldiers over to suppress our hotheads, though your chaps are > not > > > > as > > > > > > > > cooperative as the Americans when it comes to the profitable > > > > > > > > distribution of our poppy crop. Perhaps you could depress > the > > > > already > > > > > > > > squalid living standards of their wives and children back in > the UK > > > > > > > > further, in order to increase demand for poppy derivatives? > > > > > > > > > > On 24 Aug, 12:55, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > ask the magic conch shell! > > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MINiYurEsOs > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 24, 7:44 am, "[email protected]" < > > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay Ian, Now you are scarring me. Twice I find myself > > > > agreeing > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > you in one day! > > > > > > > > > > > > Whilst not strictly a pacifist, I do find myself > thinking, > > > > 'war, > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > > is it good for?', okay yes I know my history and I myself > have > > > > > > > > > > proclimed that I too use violence when I have to. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yet another way must be possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > I find myself in the uneviable position also of haveing > to > > > > declare > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > > > dislike for your avargae squaddy, belive me I know a lot > of > > > > them > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > have never met a decent one amongst them, and of course > this > > > > then > > > > > > gets > > > > > > > > > > seen as 'I do not support our troops'. Well in reality I > do > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > support war, and I think our(UK) goverment are guilty of > taking > > > > > > normal > > > > > > > > > > teenagers into the armed forces, letting them serve their > time > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > turning them back out into civy street without the > nesicary > > > > > > > > > > unprograming needed to let them live a life outside of > the > > > > armed > > > > > > > > > > forces. I blame this soley on the goverment. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahh what to do what to do? > > > > > > > > > > > > On 24 Aug, 12:36, Ian Pollard <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/8/24 Molly Brogan <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you blaming democracy for the passing of this > law? > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I'm: > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Highlighting that this supposedly moral mission of > > > > bringing > > > > > > democracy to > > > > > > > > > > > the Afghan people was worthless, given that the elected > > > > > > government is > > > > > > > > > > > pursuing a similarly repugnant agenda to the Taliban's > > > > previous > > > > > > one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Pondering the notion of absolute truths. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ian- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > -- > > > > > ( > > > > > ) > > > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > I_D Allan- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- ( ) I_D Allan --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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