Heh and that is me a Socialist-Capitalist-QuasiAnarchist-get-orf-my- land-Liberal-fluffybunny-ohhhhh-fuckit-politics-again-grrrrr!-ummm- errrr-ist!
On 26 Aug, 14:40, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > And this brings us back around to the basic problem with an altruistically > based communist society. One of the core differences between a capitalist > society and a communist society is that of supply. Capitalist societies > often have a surplus of supply, due to their being a direct incentive to > create such. Communist societies often have a dearth of supply, due to their > being no such incentive. Google "Soviet Bread Lines" for further reading on > this. > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 8:54 AM, [email protected] < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > A right to work. > > > Umm interesting, one part of me wants to say yes, another wants to say > > no. > > > How many of the statistic you have provided want to work? I know form > > personal expericane that whenever I needed a job, I have really had no > > problem getting one. Remember that I left school in 1984 a time in > > the UK when we had massive unemployment, even then I had no problems > > finding work. > > > So I guess the real question is: > > > Work is it, should it be a right? > > > I think another solution and a better one to my mind is based around > > the whole concept of money. Lets just get rid of it! It causes too > > many problems in the world. > > > On 26 Aug, 13:27, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I am not sure it worked well back when, at least in Detroit. I know > > > Henry Ford had a few (a couple famous) riots on his hands because > > > there was not enough work for all those that arrived. > > > > But I know what you mean about arriving for the experiment, and > > > allowing the process to lead the way. I often work best like this, as > > > a kinesthetic learner, it is hard for me to follow directions and > > > easier to feel my way through the process. The results can be > > > surprising like this. I remember getting resistance from staff in > > > getting through process like this, they wanted it spelled out from > > > beginning to end. What they got was supervision from beginning to end > > > so that when resources were needed, they were immediately given. In > > > the end, they learned to trust (so the close supervision was lifted as > > > I could trust they would ask for needed resources) and the results > > > were great. Opening process in this way can bring surprising > > > results. Very creative. > > > > On Aug 26, 8:16 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > One in six homes in the UK now has no one working. How about a right > > > > to work in which we can all turn up at a labour exchange and be given > > > > work or pay if they can't use us? This would cover most of us, with > > > > the exceptions of a few disabilities. Not much different from the New > > > > Deal, yet we could really change the employment relation with such a > > > > scheme. What I like best about it is making business compete for > > > > labour after a guaranteed minimum and security of employment is an > > > > ever present in the system. Such a simple change would have many > > > > effects. > > > > > I offer this as an example of a thought experiment. My view is that > > > > we are trapped in many arguments because we really don't have them and > > > > thus don't understand what objects we have made so solid we can't > > > > change them. Many people will object to the idea that we should just > > > > be able to turn up and get on with some work and get paid a decent > > > > wage. If we are really interested in argument we should want to know > > > > why, partly in order to discover just what we are in the existing > > > > system. Thought experiment in science progresses rather like this.- > > Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
