It is not hard to understand captial and money...no matter what level you
are on....I say this if there is a balance as a whole in perfect balance
there would be no woe. Is not balance an important part..their is unjust
balance and just balances...what I don't understand what is so hard about
that....

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 4:58 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> Assuring quality for real is very difficult Chris - any Dilbert book
> tells the tale of woe, but serious analysis gets there too.  Quality
> systems generally entail a great deal of surveillance to stop people
> pretending quality.  Soviet systems and management by objectives have
> a lot in common.  I think what we fail to address is 'plenty' -
> something is lost in the weirdness of profit.  My question, not well-
> formed, is how we might move away from feudal relations in a fairer
> system that relied a lot less on the fetish of consumption.  I'm all
> in favour of efficiency to prevent us having to do unreal stuff, yet
> we have to guard against free-riding as we try to improve quality of
> life.  My suspicion is that capitalism is now a decadent model that
> can't cope, but this is no reason to try other failed models.  My
> guess is we don't understand capital and wealth.
>
> On 26 Aug, 22:59, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
> > The results of the CCC are legion...and of exceptional high quality.
>  >
> > On Aug 26, 8:13 am, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > These are exactly the points which tend to become problematic in state
> run
> > > manufacturing. Not all of them, mind you, but a number of them. Anyone
> drive
> > > a Volga lately? There are certain types of "Guaranteed labor/pay"
> scenarios
> > > which seem to work, and certain types which don't. As someone who fully
> > > supports socialized medicine and education, I'd really like to know
> what the
> > > magic formula is that guarantees QUALITY in such an endeavor.
> >
> > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:19 AM, BB47 <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > On Aug 26, 5:54 am, "[email protected]" <
> [email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Work is it, should it be a right?
> >
> > > > I notice that "quality" of work has not even been mentioned. As if
> the
> > > > talents, skills, and strengths are are all equal.  So, would the
> > > > employer be getting whoever is next in line?  (que?)
> >
> > > > I bet the employers will be thrilled with this idea.
> >
> > > > > I think another solution and a better one to  my mind is based
> around
> > > > > the whole concept of money.  Lets just get rid of it!  It causes
> too
> > > > > many problems in the world.
> >
> > > > Lee, if you are going to remove a system, don't you think there is a
> > > > requirement to replace it with something else?  Please describe how
> > > > the world would work without money.
> > > > I am interested how that would work.
> >
> > > > As far as "right to work"  doesn't that translate to "I  don't have
> to
> > > > work hard ever again"  very soon?  I mean, you are promised pay for
> > > > basically showing up.  Can you be fired?  (You just show up somewhere
> > > > else tomorrow, now you have "rights")- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > > - Show quoted text -
> >
>

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