On 7 Sep, 15:22, Simon Ewins <[email protected]> wrote:
> 2009/9/7 Pat <[email protected]>:
>
> > The key here is "if God's will is for failure". I can't see how it
> > could be. How do you reconcile an ability to fail with omnipotence
> > and omniscience? God would know the outcome/result/effect of any
> > action/cause, so how could he fail? With omniscience and omnipotence,
> > success is assured through logic alone. Omnipotence does NOT mean
> > being able to do the impossible, e. g., not even God can make a
> > triangle where all the points along the sides are an equal distance
> > from the centre. ;-)
>
> If God's will is that a state of affairs arises that _you_ would see
> as failure, it would still be a success for God because it is what God
> wills. You might see it as failure but God would not.
>
Correct. So the poor perception is on our part, not God's.
> So, again, how is success assured if you do not know what God views as
> success? You could see this as a failure because you think that you
> know the mind of God.
>
The trick there is to know God.
> How presumptuous is it for you to claim to know the mind of God and
> state that success is assured because it is God's will?
Not at all. There is only One. If I know my elf truly, then I know
God. It only seems presumptuous to one who is in doubt.
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