On 7 Sep, 16:41, Simon Ewins <[email protected]> wrote:
> 2009/9/7 Pat <[email protected]>:
>
> > On 7 Sep, 15:42, Simon Ewins <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> 2009/9/7 Pat <[email protected]>:
> >> If it serves God's greater purpose for Pat to be confused about what
> >> God wants how can you possibly claim to know what that is? How can you
> >> know whether or not it serves God's greater purpose for you to be
> >> confused?
>
> > I know my purpose. It's really that simple.
>
> That cannot be correct. From what you have said about God's will, the
> best you can say is that you know what God has allowed you to know
> about your purpose.
>
And that was pretty comprehensive. Time will prove whether or not
there was any incompleteness and I wouldn't be able to confirm your
hypothesis until the day of my death.
> Would you not say that there is vastly more that God knows that he has
> not made you aware of than that he has?
>
Of course. For example, I don't know your middle name. But, then,
how vital is that to what I need to do?
> So, again, how can you know at all whether God's purpose involves
> confusing you about his purpose or not?
>
If God is trying to pull the wool over people's eyes, then He's a
liar. Since God has instructed us to not lie, it would be foolish to
think that He doesn't follow His own laws. The office of confusing
people was handed over to Samael, the False Accuser. It's his job to
accuse you of that of which you are not guilty in order to confuse you
into thinking you've done something wrong when you haven't. But, in
truth, Samael is easily defeated by self-knowledge.
> > Again, while it might
> > 'sound' arrogant, it's come after years of self-probing and self-
> > assessment and, as you say, a few experiences that are rather
> > revelatory.
>
> Revelatory experiences are self-validating. If you believe that God
> revealed his purpose to you then God must exist else it could not have
> been God who so revealed. Revelatory experiences are real to the one
> experiencing them but are too tautological to be used as an argument
> with anyone other than yourself.
I think Orn thrashed you enough on this, so I won't do it again. What
you need is one of those experiences that you, as yet, have not had.
Sometimes you have to seek them out, other times they come to you.
Revelatory experiences, if real for the one who experienced it, are as
real as any other kind of experience. The main difference is that you
haven't had one, and so, can't relate to it personally. No tautology,
just a difference in experience.
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