Thank you, Molly! Will check back later.
On Sep 11, 6:23 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
> I agree, that prayer is personal and changes as we change. Like I
> said, as a child, I repeated the words. I still think that the Lord's
> Prayer is the perfect prayer, but for different reasons now than I did
> as a child, and I am not sure the church would agree in my view. Here
> is a quick synopsis of my latest interpretation. It includes setting
> my mind into the state of consciousness addressed in the prayer:
>
> Our Father - the God state in me
> Who art in heaven - the non dual state in me (where I and my
> experience are one)
> Hallowed be thy name - the Logos in me (the meaning that passes
> between you and I)
> Thy kingdom come - the viewpoint that allows heaven on earth
> Thy will be done - action in grace that is of God within me
> On earth as it is in heaven - all separation resolved within me
> Give us this day - resurrecting self anew
> Our daily bread - the Lord provides through the grace of manifestation
> And forgive us our trespasses - become the self image in perfection
> As we forgive those - live in recognition of the highest potential in
> everyone
> Who tresspass against us - (there must be a better translation) the
> Christ consciousness, the union of humanity within us
> And lead us not into temptation - live from the tree of life first
> But deliver us from evil - Allow the fruit of the tree of knowledge to
> feel the life
> Amen
>
> For me, perfect! Check with me in ten years, that view may have
> changed. It has in the past ten. But the prayer hasn't!
>
> On Sep 11, 7:09 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > There was an Irish Wake beneath my feet in the early 1950's- I did not
> > attend. Maybe city codes have eliminated this practice. Some still
> > bury small pets in the garden- Velveeta boxes wrapped in foil work
> > well for birds and small reptiles and I suggested my neighbor bury her
> > small dog in a covered roasting pan but think she faltered. Statues of
> > St. Joseph are now buried in the garden to speed a home sale! //The
> > emphasis was on the Catechism, Sacraments and the Mass for Catholics
> > of my generation- the Bible was given a course of its own as
> > "literature" in college. Since we were ill-prepared for real life-
> > lol- we learned to pray on our own as time went by and the design
> > seems personal- ranging from acceptance to challege- and is
> > undoubtedly influenced by our awareness of other cultures/practices.
> > The mystery remains as to whom I am praying to though prayers have
> > been answered or rejected- I haven't kept a tally.
>
> > On Sep 10, 3:33 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > We are not all from the same culture and I think that each culture,
> > > even within the same umbrella religion, can have their own treatment
> > > of prayer. I was taught as a child to say the words of traditional
> > > prayers and not much more. Adding the practice of meditation and
> > > contemplation to those words brought feeling to them for me. The more
> > > I read about the historical and cultural use of prayer, the clearer it
> > > became to me that the ideas and feelings behind the words make all the
> > > difference in effecting internal change for us. The Navajo tribe has
> > > a practice of prayer that involves feeling as if the desired were
> > > true. There prayer for rain involves a submersion of feeling that it
> > > is now raining. Some Gnostic and Essene Christian traditions present
> > > the same idea of prayer. Certainly, the ancient Egyptian Hermetic
> > > practices were similar. Many Buddhist and Islamic and Jewish
> > > traditions as well. It can be confusing because there are so many
> > > different cultural practices within the same "religion." I was
> > > surprised to find, as a kid, that Puerto Rican Catholics insisted on
> > > constant prayer for three days near the body of someone who died. As
> > > an Irish Catholic, I did not hear of it. Here in the US, Catholic
> > > children are not given bible study, Francis tells me this is different
> > > in other parts of the world. Given all the different traditions, I am
> > > not surprised at the varied ideas on prayer.
>
> > > On Sep 10, 3:42 pm, Simon Ewins <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > 2009/9/10 ornamentalmind <[email protected]>:
>
> > > > > Not embracing an anthropomorphic ‘god’, I find it difficult to
> > > > > participate in this conference about prayer. And I and I know others
> > > > > here hold that intentional contemplation/meditation etc. can and does
> > > > > produce positive result(s).
>
> > > > I would be surprised if it didn't. Unless you are suicidal I should
> > > > think that introspection is always a good thing.
>
> > > > I am puzzled though.
>
> > > > Are people calling that prayer now? When did the word get hi-jacked?
>
> > > > I have been under the impression for a number of decades that prayer
> > > > involves beseeching, praising, supplication and a deity or spirit
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