It is said that Constantine converted to Christianity and supported the founding of the Catholic church because it was the one religion that would forgive all atrocities committed. But remember, at the state of consciousness in you where all humanity is one (Christ consciousness) - you are Constantine, and all fundamentalists too. When you can feel and live from that without the shitty charge, you will live the meaning of that line in the prayer.
On Sep 11, 8:14 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > Hoi Molly. Interesting interpretation I think the trespass thing is we are > asking to be treated the same way we have treated others. To me it has been > one thing that has fascinated me in the prayer and I do think it is the > ideal prayer. When I hear people saying it especially fundamentalist, often > times after having been treated like a piece of foul smelling shit I am > left praying that they be forgiven for they know not what they do, an echo > through the ages by the man who gave us that prayer. > Allan > > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I agree, that prayer is personal and changes as we change. Like I > > said, as a child, I repeated the words. I still think that the Lord's > > Prayer is the perfect prayer, but for different reasons now than I did > > as a child, and I am not sure the church would agree in my view. Here > > is a quick synopsis of my latest interpretation. It includes setting > > my mind into the state of consciousness addressed in the prayer: > > > Our Father - the God state in me > > Who art in heaven - the non dual state in me (where I and my > > experience are one) > > Hallowed be thy name - the Logos in me (the meaning that passes > > between you and I) > > Thy kingdom come - the viewpoint that allows heaven on earth > > Thy will be done - action in grace that is of God within me > > On earth as it is in heaven - all separation resolved within me > > Give us this day - resurrecting self anew > > Our daily bread - the Lord provides through the grace of manifestation > > And forgive us our trespasses - become the self image in perfection > > As we forgive those - live in recognition of the highest potential in > > everyone > > Who tresspass against us - (there must be a better translation) the > > Christ consciousness, the union of humanity within us > > And lead us not into temptation - live from the tree of life first > > But deliver us from evil - Allow the fruit of the tree of knowledge to > > feel the life > > Amen > > > For me, perfect! Check with me in ten years, that view may have > > changed. It has in the past ten. But the prayer hasn't! > > > On Sep 11, 7:09 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > There was an Irish Wake beneath my feet in the early 1950's- I did not > > > attend. Maybe city codes have eliminated this practice. Some still > > > bury small pets in the garden- Velveeta boxes wrapped in foil work > > > well for birds and small reptiles and I suggested my neighbor bury her > > > small dog in a covered roasting pan but think she faltered. Statues of > > > St. Joseph are now buried in the garden to speed a home sale! //The > > > emphasis was on the Catechism, Sacraments and the Mass for Catholics > > > of my generation- the Bible was given a course of its own as > > > "literature" in college. Since we were ill-prepared for real life- > > > lol- we learned to pray on our own as time went by and the design > > > seems personal- ranging from acceptance to challege- and is > > > undoubtedly influenced by our awareness of other cultures/practices. > > > The mystery remains as to whom I am praying to though prayers have > > > been answered or rejected- I haven't kept a tally. > > > > On Sep 10, 3:33 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > We are not all from the same culture and I think that each culture, > > > > even within the same umbrella religion, can have their own treatment > > > > of prayer. I was taught as a child to say the words of traditional > > > > prayers and not much more. Adding the practice of meditation and > > > > contemplation to those words brought feeling to them for me. The more > > > > I read about the historical and cultural use of prayer, the clearer it > > > > became to me that the ideas and feelings behind the words make all the > > > > difference in effecting internal change for us. The Navajo tribe has > > > > a practice of prayer that involves feeling as if the desired were > > > > true. There prayer for rain involves a submersion of feeling that it > > > > is now raining. Some Gnostic and Essene Christian traditions present > > > > the same idea of prayer. Certainly, the ancient Egyptian Hermetic > > > > practices were similar. Many Buddhist and Islamic and Jewish > > > > traditions as well. It can be confusing because there are so many > > > > different cultural practices within the same "religion." I was > > > > surprised to find, as a kid, that Puerto Rican Catholics insisted on > > > > constant prayer for three days near the body of someone who died. As > > > > an Irish Catholic, I did not hear of it. Here in the US, Catholic > > > > children are not given bible study, Francis tells me this is different > > > > in other parts of the world. Given all the different traditions, I am > > > > not surprised at the varied ideas on prayer. > > > > > On Sep 10, 3:42 pm, Simon Ewins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > 2009/9/10 ornamentalmind <[email protected]>: > > > > > > > Not embracing an anthropomorphic ‘god’, I find it difficult to > > > > > > participate in this conference about prayer. And I and I know > > others > > > > > > here hold that intentional contemplation/meditation etc. can and > > does > > > > > > produce positive result(s). > > > > > > I would be surprised if it didn't. Unless you are suicidal I should > > > > > think that introspection is always a good thing. > > > > > > I am puzzled though. > > > > > > Are people calling that prayer now? When did the word get hi-jacked? > > > > > > I have been under the impression for a number of decades that prayer > > > > > involves beseeching, praising, supplication and a deity or spirit > > > > > being.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > ( > ) > I_D Allan --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
