I'm sure you can see the implied value. Direction of the question? Then for what reason are you responding to a post that was not directed at you?
We have moderators, Allan, we don't need a mother hen. On Sep 25, 7:53 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > well SD if there is no interaction with God then what is your value to God > or the value of God to mankind? > > Actually SD the Question was directed to Pat. > Allan > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote > > > > > Interaction? What interaction? > > > On Sep 25, 12:21 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I get confused easily, long dissertations tend to leave me lost.. my > > > questions are what do you see you personal relationship it God as? and > > that > > > is probably not stating it right. What do you see the purpose of God's > > > interaction with mankind? > > > Allan > > > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Pat <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > On 25 Sep, 06:11, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Finally I have heard one of the good news, which is that you are > > > > > writing a theory about religious reconciliations, I feel myself that > > > > > the time has come when humanity needs to do something about it, and I > > > > > am glad that you are doing something about it. <<MF > > > > > > Not sure we are getting close to moving in that direction except in > > > > > small circles. > > > > > We may be losing the ability to reconcile in the world. We've > > > > > slipped far from the understanding of brotherhood, of forgiveness and > > > > > we've > > > > > simply become a world of hatred and revenge. We are literally > > > > > mortified by the specter of terrorism that is plaguing the world. > > The > > > > > mindset of terrorism that is anchored in the inability to allow > > > > > forgiveness to override anger and instead caters to hatred, anger and > > > > > violence > > > > > towards those deemed the wrongdoers without regard for the harm > > > > > imposed upon the innocent bystanders. > > > > > Aside from that our culture seems entrenched in the business of > > > > > revenge, we rather employ legal means to inflict suffering upon those > > > > > who we think have done us wrong before we would sit down directly and > > > > > discuss the problems. Politics seems to be leaning more toward > > > > > instilling anger and fears among us which leads to a polarization of > > > > > society while most media seem devoted to divisive and anger driven > > > > > reporting with a general attitude of who is to blame. > > > > > Can we ever stop sending messages attached to missiles, bombs and > > > > > bullets? Our attempts to establish peaceful means of resolution have > > > > > failed miserably because there is never a general consensus on any > > > > > issue. We sanction and punish to no end in order to force change but > > > > > to no avail. People are at war in every quadrant of the planet while > > > > > new agitations are festering in the background waiting to emerge as > > > > > full scale skirmishes. > > > > > That was updated from the reconciliation thread in July but I don't > > > > > think much has changed since then, at least not much in the right > > > > > direction. More violence has entered the global stage for various > > new > > > > > reasons and the threat of nuclear and biological warfare is looming. > > > > > Religion has been around for thousands of years and has yet to show > > > > > itself as a viable solution but more so the root cause of much dread > > > > > throughout history. Personal religious reconciliation doesn't really > > > > > accomplish anything concerning the retributive tendency of humanity. > > > > > Is God's plan to allow humanity to wreak havoc on innocent lives. > > > > > People talk about an almighty God, songs about God being in control > > > > > and working in strange ways. People emerge from tragic accidents > > with > > > > > the claim that God was watching over them but isn't it plain and > > clear > > > > > that God wasn't watching over them when they had the accident and the > > > > > other people lost their lives. That doesn't make a bit of sense. > > The > > > > > one thing that is completely unapparent in this life is the presence > > > > > of a loving God or if you call this love, imagine what it would be > > > > > like if we were hated, maybe we are. Perhaps we have been lost or > > > > > abandoned in this galaxy and left to our own devices. > > > > > The latter, Slip. Abandoned. Out of fear because, although we're > > > > quite clever, we haven't yet taken it on board that there's a God > > > > behind all this. Until we sort ourselves out spiritually, we are a > > > > danger to ourselves and the local galactic community. > > > > > > On Sep 24, 10:50 pm, Manfraco Frank the Elder <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Pat! > > > > > > Congratulations for writing what most people fear to write! > > > > > > > Finally I have heard one of the good news, which is that you are > > > > > > writing a theory about religious reconciliations, I feel myself > > that > > > > > > the time has come when humanity needs to do something about it, and > > I > > > > > > am glad that you are doing something about it. > > > > > > I think that I am lucky enough to be one of the first to have heard > > > > > > about it. > > > > > > I must confess that I have a theory of my own for religious > > > > > > reconciliation, which I am going to write down somehow; but as you > > can > > > > > > see from my writings I am not a well educated person, and therefore > > my > > > > > > theory can only be written in simple English. Anyhow this theory of > > > > > > mine is a bit radical in nature, so, I guess that most people will > > not > > > > > > even look at it, if it falls under their nose. > > > > > > But a man must do what a man believes is the right thing to do, so > > I > > > > > > will try to write it even it is going to be very hard for me to do > > > > > > it. > > > > > > In a way I have already started it, and part of it can be found > > > > > > through one of my blog called, Manfraco.blogspot.com, You can > > Google > > > > > > my blog and navigate through the links and find Prayers of > > > > > > Reconciliation. > > > > > > I really wish I could read what you are writing soon, so that I > > could > > > > > > have an idea how far apart our beliefs place us. > > > > > > My best wishes and regards > > > > > > Manfraco > > > > > > > On Sep 25, 2:11 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > On 24 Sep, 15:40, "[email protected]" < > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hah I think you're endevour is doomed to failure my friend, you > > > > can't > > > > > > > > even get the half of us here to agree withyour idea, what hope > > for > > > > the > > > > > > > > rest of the world. > > > > > > > > Some things take time. I don't, for a minute, think I'll be > > > > around > > > > > > > when the philosophy finally sinks in. As you say, there are far > > too > > > > > > > many people who will think they have 'lost' something (like you > > and > > > > > > > 'free will', when, in fact, you never had it) and take exception. > > > > > > > But, over time, as the truth sinks in and we have more and more > > > > > > > reasons to accept the implications of space-time, THEN things > > will > > > > get > > > > > > > better. > > > > > > > > > We are strange wonderous cretures us human beings, so diverse, > > so > > > > > > > > differant from even each other. For each excelnet idea, plan > > or > > > > > > > > proposal there will forever be (I fear) opposition. > > > > > > > > In fact, I feel that opposition to my ideas is a required part > > of > > > > > > > the process. And, unfortunately, one that will have drastic > > effects > > > > > > > that might seem horrible at the time but, later, when the > > opposition > > > > > > > has been reduced, the goodness can have a chance to come out. > > > > > > > Besides, there's a part of me that is counting on another > > individual > > > > > > > who will come later (when even MORE science can back up my > > > > > > > speculations) and make it more obvious to the masses. And, I > > have > > > > > > > every reason to believe that that person doesn't, yet, exist. > > So, > > > > > > > we're talking 'no permanent peace' as a result of my efforts for > > > > > > > around 2-3 generations. For the world, that's a drop in the > > bucket. > > > > > > > > > Ohhh but all luck to you indeed Pat. And when I recive my copy > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > > book, we'll I'll leave it lying around open at random pages and > > see > > > > > > > > what happens. > > > > > > > > I expect, if you leave it near an open window, the pages will, > > > > > > > miraculously, turn to reveal other pages. But I wouldn't agree > > that > > > > > > > ANY of them would be random...just incalculable. ;-) > > > > > > > > > On 24 Sep, 15:35, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 24 Sep, 14:11, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Pat noble dream and I really do hope you have found > > away. > > > > > > > > > > If you have I will support you all they way. > > > > > > > > > > > sadly you are talking two groups of people whose leadership > > in > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > interested in personal agendas and nothing more. > > > > > > > > > > good luck... > > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, it's a nasty part of my personality, I really see > > that > > > > area > > > > > > > > > of the world as problematic and can see many solutions, but > > none > > > > of > > > > > > > > > the 'people in charge' seem to be thinking about solutions. > > So, > > > > if I > > > > > > > > > present them in a book, and the ideas appeal to their > > respective > > > > > > > > > populations, they MAY be forced to cave-in to popular demand. > > > > The > > > > > > > > > problem with that is that the respective populations have > > their > > > > own > > > > > > > > > blood-feuds going on and some brave souls are going to have > > to > > > > lay > > > > > > > > > down their weapons first and then extend their hand in > > > > friendship. > > > > > > > > > Right now, they seen to > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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