You make it sound like everyone who believes in God believes like this........mb I don't make it sound like anything, that is your perception, you should know others may hear it differently. I admit it to be rather simplified but true in the basic sense. I just don't see any deity dishing out life nor ascribe to silly stories describing humans as such. There is much energy in the universe, some are opposing and are causal to violence in nature, we are not much different. Within us are the storms, the lightning, thunder and raging sea along with harmony, peace and tranquility. While some people are living in peace and quiet others are fighting in arenas and wars.. Ultimately we have 'some' choice in what we want to experience, happiness or anger, but we are also subject to the effects of opposing energies ie; natural disasters. So life to me is nothing but energy in different forms, we can call it whatever but that is all it is to me and there is no value except from what we can glean from it, what we can harness and utilize to form our own nature, transform ourselves. We all know the difference between love and hate, peace and war, being angry or passive. Humans unfortunately are subject to programing by the external world and without having knowledge of our internal, we are doomed to suffer through life, through error. As others have noted, we no longer need stories and myths to explain why there is lightning and thunder, that the boom boom is not because gods are angry.
People die in plane and auto crashes because they enter into a field of energy that is essentially unstable, without constants. When you put yourself 10,000 feet above the earth in a machine there is no deity influence on whether or not you will arrive at your destination. When you get in your car and drive 80 mph with hundreds of others in opposite directions, you are entering a whole new realm of energy. To get out of the car after a crash with fatalities and say "God, why did you let this happen", or "God was watching over me", is all ludicrous. Planes, cars, trains and spaceships crash, ships sink, bombs explode, fire burns, glass breaks and people bleed. It's all about energy and how we use it. Death (natural) is nothing more than energy running out, reaching the end of a life span and so like plants we seed new life, new energy with it's own new life span. Humanity's ego creates these delusions of grandeur, of piety and godliness. All the other animals know when it's hot or cold outside so what makes us any different, our capacity of thought, manipulation of our environment, technology, to think we are divine? Does there have to be a purpose, a beginning to an end? Do we necessarily have to have a God? Obviously the people who have one and the people who don't are all living the same experience, other than the fantasy part. There is absolutely no distinct difference in people who believe from those who don't. If there were a difference people would be changing, like there is a difference with people who use soap, that's why people use it. If you want to believe, that is fine with me, I'm not trying to influence change, we're still just friends. Unfortunately many who do believe want to change others. I can only surmise that it is because no one wants to feel stupid alone, and I might ad the economy of belief. On Sep 27, 3:49 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > "As far as the value of God for me there is none but for those who > ascribe > to the concept the value is attributing all the good things to God and > attributing all the bad stuff to evil, which of course for some > strange unknown reason God allows. I just don't see any purpose in > all this pain and suffering" SD > > You make it sound like everyone who believes in God believes like > this, and I don't find that to be true at all. I think we humans > ascribe good and evil to any event. Events that we don't like, that > are deconstructive rather than creative, that we don't understand at > the time, that hurt us - perhaps this is what you term as evil. The > purpose of Buddhism is the relief of suffering, but it is believed > that this can be done while living, by changing the way one thinks, > feels and believes. We break our own hearts and we suffer for it > because of the way we see the world. God is, whether we suffer or > not. > > I am not sure that God has a purpose. I am not sure that I do > either. But I believe that life is a blessing whether I am feeling > good or bad. > > On Sep 26, 5:12 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I guess my perceptions were off, must be the Dutch translation. As > > far as the value of God for me there is none but for those who ascribe > > to the concept the value is attributing all the good things to God and > > attributing all the bad stuff to evil, which of course for some > > strange unknown reason God allows. I just don't see any purpose in > > all this pain and suffering, what possible purpose could there be or > > even if you could think one up would it make any sense? I think > > eventually the passive being will give way to the violent beings they > > spend enormous amounts of energy trying to transform and rehabilitate > > and allow to propagate thereby increasing the number of adversaries. > > The decadent want the righteous dead. Political correctness is the > > the catalyst for change, change for the worst, rights for criminals, > > rights for evil. The establishment continues to reap the benefits of > > a dysfunctional society, all areas are supported by it. From the > > Judges, the lawyers, the courts, the police, the jails, bail bonds, > > etc. it is a whole system that functions on the dysfunction of > > society. Why would they want it any other way. It's just like > > dysfunctional government, if they were functional we wouldn't need > > them. > > > On Sep 26, 2:28 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > No no SD your response is actually welcome.. I would also like to > > > especially hear what Pat has to say . . . I hear people always saying > > > 'God's Purpose' but no one seems to know just hat that purpose is.... > > > Maybe his purpose id to line up all the good little islamist and > > > christians > > > in a frying pan rosat them over the fires of hell and have them for a > > > snack.. (hmm tasty? or is that God smacking good?) and then it is alright > > > and the safest position is that of the atheist.. > > > > I hope the heck we don't have a buch of mother hens I would definately > > > be > > > in trouble.. > > > > the reason for my responding to post not directly addressed to me is > > > probably to get my worthless two cents in.. and or actually learn > > > something > > > , hopefully spawning new and interesting thoughts > > > Allan > > > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 4:33 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I'm sure you can see the implied value. > > > > > Direction of the question? Then for what reason are you responding to > > > > a post that was not directed at you? > > > > > We have moderators, Allan, we don't need a mother hen. > > > > > On Sep 25, 7:53 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > well SD if there is no interaction with God then what is your value to > > > > God > > > > > or the value of God to mankind? > > > > > > Actually SD the Question was directed to Pat. > > > > > Allan > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote > > > > > > > Interaction? What interaction? > > > > > > > On Sep 25, 12:21 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I get confused easily, long dissertations tend to leave me > > > > > > > lost.. my > > > > > > > questions are what do you see you personal relationship it God as? > > > > and > > > > > > that > > > > > > > is probably not stating it right. What do you see the purpose of > > > > God's > > > > > > > interaction with mankind? > > > > > > > Allan > > > > -- > > > ( > > > ) > > > I_D Allan --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
