I really don't know the answer to that one Slip, beyond some vauge
idea that the 'I' is there before perception of the outside world
begins.

When a newborn cries for food, does he do so because his experiance
suggests that when I cry the mum feeds me, or does he cry because he
is hungry and his emotions cause him to cry?

On 28 Sep, 14:13, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> What is emotion from within?
>
> Is all that is within originating from all that is external in one
> form or another?
>
> On Sep 28, 4:28 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Umm can one not feel an emotion from within, without external stimuli?
>
> > On 28 Sep, 01:21, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > I need some Kleenex, sniff sniff.  lol
>
> > > Seriously, emotions are responsive to external stimuli and a result of
> > > the perception of that stimuli.  For this reason different people
> > > react differently to similar stimuli.  Not all people are brought to
> > > tears by what is perceived by some as a very sad event, therefore
> > > emotions can be subjective.  Emotions can be a release of subconscious
> > > senses and play a role in growth.  We react differently to the same
> > > stimuli at different levels of maturity so emotions can change in time
> > > and in some cases become non existent.
>
> > > On Sep 27, 11:13 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > What role does emotion play in our everyday lives?  How does emotion
> > > > affect our experience and being?  These are questions addressed by
> > > > some of the finest minds of our era.
>
> > > > For Piaget, emotion is the motivating force of action emanating from
> > > > outside the individual in the form of sensations emitted by objects.
> > > > His view is rooted in the Newtonian conception of a universe comprised
> > > > in isolated objects requiring an emotive force to initiate a series of
> > > > mechanistic interactions between objects.  Piaget reduces all
> > > > conscious human experience to a cognitive formulation of these causal
> > > > relations.    His abstract concept of emotion as force fails to
> > > > explain the relationship between bodily feelings, emotions, and higher
> > > > forms of consciousness in human beings.
>
> > > > Alfred North Whitehead indicates the factors in human nature which go
> > > > to make up the particular emotions, arise from our apprehension of
> > > > these permanent features of order in the world. His concrete concept
> > > > of emotion gives insight into the experience of bodily feelings and
> > > > their relationship to the growth and learning of human beings.  He
> > > > explains the emotions are the crucial mediating factors between the
> > > > welter of awareness of these feelings in higher organisms.  “We
> > > > perceive other things which are in the world of actualities in the
> > > > same sense as we are.   So our emotions are directed toward other
> > > > things, including of course, our bodily organs . . . the world for me
> > > > is nothing else than how the functioning of my body present it for my
> > > > experience.”
>
> > > > Jean Paul Sartre sees it differently in his book, The Emotions,
> > > > Outline of a Theory.  He sees our emotion as an “abrupt drop of
> > > > consciousness into the magical.”  He believes:  “emotion is not
> > > > accidental modification of a subject which would otherwise be plunged
> > > > into an unchanged world.  It is easy to see that every emotional
> > > > apprehension of an object which frightens, irritates, sadness, etc.,
> > > > can be made only on the basis of a total alteration of the world.  In
> > > > order that an object may in reality appear terrible, it must realize
> > > > itself as an immediate and magical presence face to face with
> > > > consciousness.“  In other words, we modify our experience with emotion
> > > > to make it more comfortable, according to our own nature.  We emote
> > > > sadness, anger or gloom because “lacking the power and will to
> > > > accomplish the acts which we have been planning, we behave in such a
> > > > way that the universe no longer requires anything of us.”
>
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