On 30 Sep, 13:02, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
> Uh huh, uh huh, and what does all this have to do with God? Moses
> brought the people to the mountain to meet God, and God came down as
> fire and when Moses spoke God answered as thunder. This is all so
> typical of people that just didn't have a clue. It's like boogey man
> and little children.
>
And, of course, you understand the four levels of the Torah
perfectly, don't you? The Pshat(Literal), Drash (comments about the
written in the Oral Torah), Remez (Hints) and Sod (secret meanings)?
Tell you what, learn Hebrew, then study kabbalah for 30+ years, then
tell me that it's still just a fairy tale. All you're doing is
denigrating a translation, which may even be a translation OF a
translation. Have a little respect and give a little benefit, as you
must have SOME doubt. And if you don't, then you should.
> When I was a teenager I had all the little kids in the neighborhood
> convinced that I could make thunder. I would simply wait for the
> lightning and then take the broom and shake it towards the sky saying
> "I can feel it, here it comes", then boom and they would all be awed.
> I was their Moses.
>
> On Sep 30, 4:10 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 29 Sep, 17:44, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > What does it matter in the case of energy, it is there, we have
> > > harnessed much of it and discovered many new energies. Energy is,
> > > where is God?
>
> > > Just reading this stuff reveals it's inanity.
>
> > > "On the morning of the third day there were thunders and lightnings,
> > > and a thick cloud upon the mountain, and a very loud trumpet blast, so
> > > that all the people who were in the camp trembled. Then Moses brought
> > > the people out of the camp to meet God; and they took their stand at
> > > the foot of the mountain. And Mount Sinai was wrapped in smoke,
> > > because The Lord descended upon it in fire; and the smoke of it went
> > > up like the smoke of a kiln, and the whole mountain quaked greatly.
> > > And as the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder, Moses spoke,
> > > and God answered him in thunder."
> > > (Exodus 19:16-19)
>
> > Have you ever been to Petra (the REAL Mt. Sinai)? When the wind
> > blows hard through the Siq, as it does from time to time, it sounds
> > like hundreds of trumpets going off all at once. It usually scares
> > the hell out of tourists who are unaware of the phenomena. The area
> > is prone to geoplasmic events, as well, as the mountain is made of
> > arenite sandstone. And arenite sandstone, like carnelian granite, has
> > the ability to store plasma energy form lightning. The region is
> > fairly dry usually, but when there are big storms there, there are all
> > kinds of plasma-related phenomena that occur in the area for days
> > afterwards. The same thing is true just north of where I live in the
> > Burton-Dasset Hills because they're made of carnelian granite. The
> > OLD name for the range was 'The Phoenix Hills' because of the strange
> > fires that could be found burning there both during and for several
> > days after big storms. If the plagues of the exodus were due to
> > Thera's explosion, then there would be plenty of ash and dust and
> > water thrown up into the atmosphere to cause large storms in the Petra
> > area even up to 50 days after the explosion. So, there's nothing
> > particularly unusual in that excerpt whatsoever; especially given the
> > writing style of the day. Superficially, yes, it sounds bizarre, but
> > given a proper investigation, the phenomena described would have been
> > likely following a volcanic explosion the size of Thera's.
>
> > > Sounds like California, lol
>
> > > On Sep 29, 9:31 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > On 29 Sep, 14:47, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > You might want to cite your sources if you are going to C&P.
>
> > > > > St. Thomas Aquinas?
>
> > > > > Fossil arguments against evolution?
> > > > > Even IF fossil science discounts Darwinian theory it does not
> > > > > conversely establish Creation.
>
> > > > > Michael Denton, Evolution; a theory in crisis, page 328-29
> > > > > Denton is a molecular biologist and an agnostic. Highly assumptive.
>
> > > > > You are obviously impressed with paper science concerning the origin
> > > > > of life, yet there is no established proof for creation by design.
>
> > > > > What is the origin of God?
>
> > > > Energy is neither created nor destroyed. What is the origin of
> > > > energy? The answer to my question will answer yours. ;-)
>
> > > > > On Sep 28, 10:52 pm, Adam <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > God’s Existence.
> > > > > > ‘The power and existence of God is proved by the things that are
> > > > > > made’.
> > > > > > The generally accepted alternative to this is Darwin’s theory.
> > > > > > The very essence of evolutionary thinking is slow change. So in the
> > > > > > fossil record we would expect to find a gradual transition from the
> > > > > > simple to the complex. And the transitional fossils should vastly
> > > > > > outnumber the fixed species. But, in fact, no such transitional
> > > > > > forms
> > > > > > have been found.
> > > > > > The discovery of DNA has also posed a threat to Darwin’s theory. So
> > > > > > complex is the nature of DNA that it has taken about 50 years to map
> > > > > > it. The odds against such a structure occurring by chance are
> > > > > > astronomical. Not only that, DNA contains a code and the code
> > > > > > contains
> > > > > > an incredible amount of meaningful precise information such as ‘the
> > > > > > hip bone is connected to the leg bone’ etc. In addition to the
> > > > > > construction information, DNA also brings consciousness and
> > > > > > intelligence with it in various degrees. These three are not often
> > > > > > found in random collections of chemicals.
> > > > > > Each cell with genetic information, from bacteria to man, according
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > molecular biologist Michael Denton, consists of "artificial
> > > > > > languages
> > > > > > and their decoding systems, memory banks for information storage and
> > > > > > retrieval, elegant control systems regulating the automated assembly
> > > > > > of parts and components, error fail-safe and proof-reading devices
> > > > > > utilized for quality control, assembly processes involving the
> > > > > > principle of prefabrication and modular construction . . . [and a]
> > > > > > capacity not equalled in any of our most advanced machines, for it
> > > > > > would be capable of replicating its entire structure within a matter
> > > > > > of a few hours”.
> > > > > > And some people think that all this came about by chance!!!
> > > > > > Adam.
>
> > > > > > On Sep 28, 2:51 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Nice of you to pop in, Adam. It's your thread, you can butt in
> > > > > > > anytime you like.
> > > > > > > According to the bible? Well that's the whole problem. It is
> > > > > > > inconsistent and full of ambiguity, much of it was written years
> > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > the supposed events. There are numerous collections of stories
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > were deemed worthy of being canonized by the church and accepted
> > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > the word of God, though written by many different people. There
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > some 400 years between the old and new testament in which time
> > > > > > > empires
> > > > > > > came and went. The Romans at the time viewed the Emperor as a
> > > > > > > deity,
> > > > > > > the Jews were under incredible strain and so alas comes the
> > > > > > > deliverer,
> > > > > > > the son of God, a virgin birth etc, but that's a whole bag of
> > > > > > > worms
> > > > > > > so.......
>
> > > > > > > Present us with your pretty good case for the existence of God,
> > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > interested.
>
> > > > > > > On Sep 27, 8:41 pm, Adam <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > If I can butt in here for a moment.
> > > > > > > > I thought I had written a pretty good account of God's Purpose
> > > > > > > > according to the Bible.
> > > > > > > > I can also give a pretty good case for the existence of God
> > > > > > > > if anyone is interested.
> > > > > > > > Adam
>
> > > > > > > > On Sep 26, 5:28 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > No no SD your response is actually welcome.. I would also
> > > > > > > > > like to
> > > > > > > > > especially hear what Pat has to say . . . I hear people
> > > > > > > > > always saying
> > > > > > > > > 'God's Purpose' but no one seems to know just hat that
> > > > > > > > > purpose is....
> > > > > > > > > Maybe his purpose id to line up all the good little islamist
> > > > > > > > > and christians
> > > > > > > > > in a frying pan rosat them over the fires of hell and have
> > > > > > > > > them for a
> > > > > > > > > snack.. (hmm tasty? or is that God smacking good?) and then
> > > > > > > > > it is alright
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