William Blake: 'Then those in Great Eternity who contemplate on Death Said thus. What seems to Be: Is: To those to whom It seems to Be, & is productive of the most dreadful Consequences to those to whom it seems to Be"
Contemplating on death is seeing the limitation in your experience. A focus on the dreadful consequences becomes the experience of those to whom it seems to be. Seeing the eternal life removes the limits. The dreadful consequences are no longer central to the experience. On Sep 30, 11:55 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > "Axis of evil" is a term coined by United States President George W. > Bush in his State of the Union Address on January 29, 2002 in order to > describe governments that he accused of helping terrorism and seeking > weapons of mass destruction. President Bush named Iran, Iraq and North > Korea in his speech. President Bush's presidency was marked by this > notion as a justification for the War on Terror. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_evil > > On Sep 30, 10:40 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Well in that line of reasoning we could simply say that there must be > > a creator of God and of that creator as well, setting off an endless > > series of the creator's creators. We know of the universe, of vacuums > > and phenomena. We see, utilize, experience and understand much of it > > and perhaps within the nothingness there is the consciousness that is > > all things. However, all things did not come with books to tell us > > that they are because they are simply there, before books. Lightning > > and thunder are there but it is the book that told people what the > > lightning and thunder were, not by science but by simple rationale, > > naive reasoning and superstitious fears. I can understand if the > > belief is that God is the essence of all things, of all life, but I > > just don't subscribe to books written by the ancients that conjure > > fear, promote discrimination, justify torture, and literally allow > > humanity to audaciously claim divinity and creation in the image of > > God . The stories and the history of it all is absurd and ludicrous. > > Sure there is some insightful biblical content but Gibran's The > > Prophet and others are as well. We could read Aristotle, Plato, > > Ghandi and others and get some degree of enlightenment. You expect me > > to believe that only those desert/cave dwellers were capable of > > writing something that could be considered the word of God, what are > > we today a bunch of morons, or were they? To think that I can't have > > a happy life full of richness and reward unless I believe in the bible > > is, to me, ridiculous. Why people waste their time with it instead of > > getting down to the business of living is beyond comprehension. In my > > view more time has be wasted and often progress stifled by the > > conflicts surrounding these beliefs. Look at all the countries that > > are polarized by all this religious nonsense. Religion may have > > served a purpose when the land was in chaos as it brought some sense > > of direction and a semblance of order, but then again the preachings > > of Peter of celibacy caused a great uproar among the aristocracy of > > the time and caused his crucifixion, upside down I might add, even > > then only if the story is true and maybe he should had remembered the > > commandment, "be fruitful, multiply and fill the earth". In today's > > world I find religion to be simply a huge nuisance and a barrier to > > humanity's progress. How many wars are currently in engagement on > > account of religion? How much death, pain and suffering can we > > attribute to these archaic beliefs? Bush claimed the God wanted him > > to be president and then bombed the hell out of Iraq, killing > > thousands. He claimed an "axis of evil" and what basis of thought > > would lead one to conclude that? If we could just address the needs > > of the world, find ways of living that benefit all then we might see > > the end of religious persecution and separatism. Please note I'm not > > angry about any of it, I'm glad I'm free of it all and I'm having a > > wonderful day. > > > On Sep 30, 8:52 am, Justintruth <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > It turns out that energy is not a conserved quantity in physics. That > > > is just a local phenomena. See General Relativity by Wald. I was > > > amazed to read it but apparently its as true as the latest physics. > > > > You say "energy is" but where is god? > > > > There are many things that are besides energy no? And none of them are > > > the reason that they are. Why is energy so special? Anything that is > > > not the reason for its existence must rely on some other principle to > > > distinguish it from the non-existing. You said. "Energy is". If I say > > > that means it "has being" would you agree? And wouldn't you also agree > > > that the fact that it is, is not energy? The fact that it is is > > > being, right? Color is. And color is not the reason that color is. The > > > fact that color is, is because it is, not because it has color. So > > > again, just like energy, the fact that color is is because of being. > > > Being is not color. And by becoming aware of the meaning of that term > > > and distinction you can unlock the meaning of a lot of the religious > > > literature which is not literal nor a physical description. > > > > You say "Where is God"? Need God be somewhere to be? Take the fact > > > that 1 + 1 = 2 in the usual mathematics. Now that is a fact and that > > > means that that fact is. Where is that fact? Look at history. Where is > > > it? Does history reside in some place? Only spacial objects have > > > locations. In fact the meaning of an object is inherently related to > > > the space it occupies. The meaning of the term object, and being > > > completely confused by it, is why many people cannot understand > > > religion and ask questions like: Where is god? God isn't anywhere, or > > > if you prefer God is everywhere (and beyond). God is not something > > > that can be in a given place and not in others. Outside of any thing - > > > by definition - is that which "is not" the thing. But outside of God > > > there is. In fact even nothing is not outside of god. Take a good look > > > at a vacuum... and I am not refering to the vacuum energy but a true > > > zero energy vacuum... that is basically - by definition - nothing. Do > > > you really think a vacuum isn't? It has properties. So even a vacuum, > > > assuming one could realize it, "is" nothing and is therefore created > > > by God. > > > > On Sep 29, 9:44 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > What does it matter in the case of energy, it is there, we have > > > > harnessed much of it and discovered many new energies. Energy is, > > > > where is God? > > > > > Just reading this stuff reveals it's inanity. > > > > > "On the morning of the third day there were thunders and lightnings, > > > > and a thick cloud upon the mountain, and a very loud trumpet blast, so > > > > that all the people who were in the camp trembled. Then Moses brought > > > > the people out of the camp to meet God; and they took their stand at > > > > the foot of the mountain. And Mount Sinai was wrapped in smoke, > > > > because The Lord descended upon it in fire; and the smoke of it went > > > > up like the smoke of a kiln, and the whole mountain quaked greatly. > > > > And as the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder, Moses spoke, > > > > and God answered him in thunder." > > > > (Exodus 19:16-19) > > > > > Sounds like California, lol > > > > > On Sep 29, 9:31 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On 29 Sep, 14:47, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > You might want to cite your sources if you are going to C&P. > > > > > > > St. Thomas Aquinas? > > > > > > > Fossil arguments against evolution? > > > > > > Even IF fossil science discounts Darwinian theory it does not > > > > > > conversely establish Creation. > > > > > > > Michael Denton, Evolution; a theory in crisis, page 328-29 > > > > > > Denton is a molecular biologist and an agnostic. Highly assumptive. > > > > > > > You are obviously impressed with paper science concerning the origin > > > > > > of life, yet there is no established proof for creation by design. > > > > > > > What is the origin of God? > > > > > > Energy is neither created nor destroyed. What is the origin of > > > > > energy? The answer to my question will answer yours. ;-) > > > > > > > On Sep 28, 10:52 pm, Adam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > God’s Existence. > > > > > > > ‘The power and existence of God is proved by the things that are > > > > > > > made’. > > > > > > > The generally accepted alternative to this is Darwin’s theory. > > > > > > > The very essence of evolutionary thinking is slow change. So in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > fossil record we would expect to find a gradual transition from > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > simple to the complex. And the transitional fossils should vastly > > > > > > > outnumber the fixed species. But, in fact, no such transitional > > > > > > > forms > > > > > > > have been found. > > > > > > > The discovery of DNA has also posed a threat to Darwin’s theory. > > > > > > > So > > > > > > > complex is the nature of DNA that it has taken about 50 years to > > > > > > > map > > > > > > > it. The odds against such a structure occurring by chance are > > > > > > > astronomical. Not only that, DNA contains a code and the code > > > > > > > contains > > > > > > > an incredible amount of meaningful precise information such as > > > > > > > ‘the > > > > > > > hip bone is connected to the leg bone’ etc. In addition to the > > > > > > > construction information, DNA also brings consciousness and > > > > > > > intelligence with it in various degrees. These three are not often > > > > > > > found in random collections of chemicals. > > > > > > > Each cell with genetic information, from bacteria to man, > > > > > > > according to > > > > > > > molecular biologist Michael Denton, consists of "artificial > > > > > > > languages > > > > > > > and their decoding systems, memory banks for information storage > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > retrieval, elegant control systems regulating the automated > > > > > > > assembly > > > > > > > of parts and components, error fail-safe and proof-reading devices > > > > > > > utilized for quality control, assembly processes involving the > > > > > > > principle of prefabrication and modular construction . . . [and a] > > > > > > > capacity not equalled in any of our most advanced machines, for it > > > > > > > would be capable of replicating its entire structure > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
