An exclusive ghost story producer simply has to disrespect cheap fairy
tales, no doubt.

On 30 Sep., 14:49, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 30 Sep, 13:02, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Uh huh, uh huh, and what does all this have to do with God?   Moses
> > brought the people to the mountain to meet God, and God came down as
> > fire and when Moses spoke God answered as thunder.   This is all so
> > typical of people that just didn't have a clue.  It's like boogey man
> > and
> > and little children.
>
r levels of the Torah
> perfectly, don't you?  The Pshat(Literal), Drash (comments about the
> wril), Din the Oralnts ah), Remez (Hints) and Sod (secret meanings)?
> Tell  and hat, learn Hebrew, then study kabbalah for 30+ years, then
> tell me that it's 0+ yearsst a fairy tale.  All you're doing is
> denigrating a translation, which may even be a translation OF a
> translation.  Have a little respect and give a little benefit, as you
> must have SOME doubt.  And if you don't, then you should.
>
> > When I was a teenager I had all the little kids in the neighborhood
> > convinced that I could make thunder.  I would simply wait for the
> > lightning and then take the broom and shake it towards the sky saying
> > "I can feel it, here it comes", then boom and they would all be awed.
> > I was their Moses.
>
> > On Sep 30, 4:10 am, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On 29 Sep, 17:44, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > What does it matter in the case of energy, it is there, we have
> > > > harnessed much of it and discovered many new energies.  Energy is,
> > > > where is God?
>
> > > > Just reading this stuff reveals it's inanity.
>
> > > > "On the morning of the third day there were thunders and lightnings,
> > > > and a thick cloud upon the mountain, and a very loud trumpet blast, so
> > > > that all the people who were in the camp trembled. Then Moses brought
> > > > the people out of the camp to meet God; and they took their stand at
> > > > the foot of the mountain. And Mount Sinai was wrapped in smoke,
> > > > because The Lord descended upon it in fire; and the smoke of it went
> > > > up like the smoke of a kiln, and the whole mountain quaked greatly.
> > > > And as the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder, Moses spoke,
> > > > and God answered him in thunder."
> > > > (Exodus 19:16-19)
>
> > >      Have you ever been to Petra (the REAL Mt. Sinai)?  When the wind
> > > blows hard through the Siq, as it does from time to time, it sounds
> > > like hundreds of trumpets going  >  all at once.  It usually scares
> > > the hell out of tourists who are unaware of the phenomena.  The area
> > > is prone to geoplasmic events, as well, as the mountain is made of
> > > arenite sandstone.  And a of
> > > dstone, like carnelian granite, has
> > > the abilitelian gore plasma energy the abightning.  The region is
> > > fairly dry usually, but when there are big storms there, there are all
> > > kinds of plasma-related phenomena that occur in the area for days
> > > afterwards.  The same thing is true just north of where I live in the
> > > Burton-Dasset Hills because they're made of carnelian granite.  The
> > > OLD name for the range waThe
>  Phoenix Hills' because of the strange
> > > fires that could be found burning there both during and for several
> > > days after big storms.  If the plagues of the exodus were due to
> > > Thera's explosion, then there would be plenty of ash and dust and
> > > water thrown up into the and
> here to cause large storms in the Petra
> > > area even up to 50 days after the explosion.  So, there's nothing
> > > particularly unusual in that excerpt whatsoever; especially given the
> > > writing style of the day.  Superficially, yes, it sounds bizarre, but
> > > given a proper investigation, the phenomena described would have been
> > > likely following a volcanic explosion the size of Thera's.
>
> > > > Sounds like California, lol
>
> > > > On Sep 29, 9:31 am, Pat <PatrickDHarring...9, 9:31l.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On 29 Sep, 1m> 7, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > You might want to cite your sources if you are going to C&P.
>
> > > > > > St. Thomas Aquinas?
>
> > > > > > Fossil arguments against evolution?
> > > > > > Even IF fossil science discounts Darwinian theory it does not
> > > > > > conversely establish Creation.
>
> > > > > > Michael Denton, Evolution; a theory in crisis, page 328-29
> > > > > > Denton is a molecular biologist and an agnostic.  Highlr biolmptive.
>
> > > > > > You are obviously impressed with paYou arience concerning the origin
> > > > > > of life, yet there is no established proof for creation by design.
>
> > > > > > What is the origin of God?
>
> > > > >      Energy is neither created nor destroyed.  What is the origin of
> > > > > energy?  The answer to my question will answer yours.  ;-)
>
> > > > > > On Sep 28, 10:52 pm, Adam <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > God’s Existence.
> > > > > > > ‘The power and existence of God is proved by the things that are
> > > > > > > made’.
> > > > > > > The generally accepted alternative to this is Darwin’s theory.
> > > > > > > The very essence of evolutionary thinking is slow change. So in 
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > fossil record we would expect to find a gradual transition from 
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > simple to the complex. And the transitional fossils should vastly
> > > > > > > outnumber the fixed species. But, in fact, no such transitional 
> > > > > > > forms
> > > > > > > have been found.
> > > > > > > The discovery of DNA has also posed a threat to Darwin’s theory. 
> > > > > > > So
> > > > > > > complex is the nature of DNA that it has taken about 50 years to 
> > > > > > > map
> > > > > > > it. The odds against such a structure occurring by chance are
> > > > > > > astronomical. Not only that, DNA contains a code and the code 
> > > > > > > contains
> > > > > > > an incredible amount of meaningful precise information such as 
> > > > > > > ‘the
> > > > > > > hip bone is connected to the leg bone’ etc. In addition to the
> > > > > > > construction information, DNA also brings consciousness and
> > > > > > > intelligence with it in various degrees. These three are not often
> > > > > > > found in random collections of chemicals.
> > > > > > > Each cell with genetic information, from bacteria to man, 
> > > > > > > according to
> > > > > > > molecular biologist Michael Denton, consists of "artificial 
> > > > > > > languages
> > > > > > > and their decoding systems, memory banks for information storage 
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > retrieval, orage t control systems regulating the automated 
> > > > > > > assembly
> > > > > > > of parts and components, error fail-safe and proof-reading devices
> > > > > > > utilized for quality control, assembly processes involving the
> > > > > > > principle of prefabrication and modular construction . . . [and a]
> > > > > > > capacity not equalled in any of our most advanced machines, for it
> > > > > > > would be capable of replicating its entire structure within a 
> > > > > > > matter
> > > > > > > of a few hours”.
> > > > > > > And some people think that all this came about by chance!!!
> > > > > > > Adam.
>
> > > > > > > On Sep 28, 2:51 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Nice of you to pop in, Adam.  It's your thread, you can butt in
> > > > > > > > anytime you like.
> > > > > > > > According to the bible?  Well that's the whole problem.  It is
> > > > > > > > inconsistent and full of ambiguity, much of it was written 
> > > > > > > > years after
> > > > > > > > the supposed events.  There are numerous collections of stories 
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > were deemed worthy of being canonized by the church and 
> > > > > > > > accepted as
> > > > > > > > the word of God, though written by many different people.  
> > > > > > > > There are
> > > > > > > > some 400 years between the old and new testament in which time 
> > > > > > > > empires
> > > > > > > > came and went.  The Romans at the time viewed the Emperor as a 
> > > > > > > > deity,
> > > > > > > > the Jews were under incredible strain and so alas comes the 
> > > > > > > > deliverer,
> > > > > > > > the son of God, a virgin birth etc, but that's a whole bag of 
> > > > > > > > worms
> > > > > > > > so.......
>
> > > > > > > > Present us with your pretty good case for the existence of God, 
> > > > > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > > interested.
>
> > > > > > > > On Sep 27, 8:41 pm, Adam <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > If I can butt in here for a moment.
> > > > > > > > > I thought I had written a pretty good account of God's Purpose
> > > > > > > > > according to the Bible.
> > > > > > > > > I can also give a pretty good case for the existence of God
> > > > > > > > > if anyone is interested.
> > > > > > > > > Adam
>
> > > > > > > > > On Sep 26, 5:28 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > No no SD  your response is actually welcome..  I would also 
> > > > > > > > > > like to
> > > > > > > > > > especially hear what Pat has to sayesp cially her people 
> > > > > > > > > > always saying
> > > > > > > > > > 'God's Purpose'   but no one seems to know just hat that 
> > > > > > > > > > purpose is....
> > > > > > > > > > Maybe his purpose id to line up all the good little 
> > > > > > > > > > islamist and christians
> > > > > > > > > > in a frying pan rosat them over the fires of hell and have 
> > > > > > > > > > them for a
> > > > > > > > > > snack.. (hmm tasty? or is that God smacking good?)  and 
> > > > > > > > > > then that Golrighcking good
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