I'm gonna have to take a leaf out of Chris book on this one Molly. Peace is good, I like, I want it, I'll never have it though, so far better for me and mine that we all know how and when to use violence and effectivly too.
On 6 Oct, 15:07, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > Also, let me ask this, to you Slip, and everyone else reading this, > what have you done recently to plant the seed of peace in yourself, > family, town, county, state, country, world? > > On Oct 6, 8:08 am, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > It is a lot more complex that what you are presenting Don. There is a > > deeper psychological aspect to be concerned with. Poor people who > > lose their lotto winnings don't have financial backgrounds, they don't > > come from a family of bankers, have friends who are wall street > > tycoons or have top notch advisers. Instead they go out thinking they > > are rich to no end and spend their way into the ditch as well as much > > of the time getting 'ripped off' by shady investors. Of course you > > must know that the majority of winners retain most of their new found > > wealth. The mental condition of a person receiving assistance has a > > great deal to do with their own success in life, chances are if you > > gave a bag lady 10 G's, all you would have is a bag lady with 10 G's, > > obviously she has issues that have sustained her bag lady lifestyle. > > But let 's look at the ghetto problem and growing up in such > > deplorable conditions. That has to have an impact on a child growing > > up, the security factor alone, living in fear, health issues from > > living amongst the filth and vermin. The totality of the environment > > becomes a microcosm of perpetuated detriment. They are well aware of > > their plight and can see the world about with all it's grandeur but > > only see themselves in it in the form of a dream. So what little they > > have becomes the only thing that is left to fight for, as there really > > isn't much left of personal dignity. I'm sure the kids in your > > neighborhood are not living under the same conditions and as a result > > have a different outlook on life, they see a future and have security, > > parents who can nurture them in ways that can lead them upwards. From > > the time they are born they are on the road to a successful future and > > even sometimes the affluent can have their share of failures. It's > > the same anywhere else. What are the chances of attaining wealth when > > you are a 'slum dog'? If I won lotto I would never go poor, it's all > > about common sense, self control and good math. > > > On Oct 5, 9:53 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > You can't spend your way out poverty Slip. Statistics show a > > > surprising number of poor people that win the lottery and take the > > > cash option(generally the smarter move) are broke 10 years later. We > > > can build all the tenements and projects we want and those places will > > > invariably return to trash in the near future because some people just > > > won't help themselves. When apathy is rewarded it makes it difficult > > > for some to see the benefits in working themselves into a better way > > > of life when all they need is provided gratis. I personally feel it's > > > morally wrong. > > > > By the way. Violence IS a solution. Very often it is the most > > > economical and effective solution. This is why it will continue to be > > > implemented by individuals and governments until the end of time. It > > > just so happens it makes me sick to my stomach. > > > > dj > > > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 7:14 PM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Cynical? > > > > > Woestehoff says this investigation is long overdue. She complains that > > > > wealthy and well-connected parents have long-been throwing around > > > > their clout on behalf of their children. The rules ought to be the > > > > same for everybody. But, you know, this is Chicago. And we know that > > > > in Chicago there’s an expectation that a certain group of people who > > > > have power will be able to get their children into any school. > > > > Unqualified students who have parents with clout aren’t just attending > > > > public high schools. The issue has also plagued top officials at the > > > > University of Illinois in recent months. They’re accused of admitting > > > > hundreds of unqualified students. The scandal involves the president > > > > of the university along with many high-ranking elected officials. > > > > A state panel investigating the admissions process recently > > > > recommended every trustee on the board resign and yesterday, the > > > > chairman of the board did just that. > > > > >http://www.chicagopublicradio.org/Content.aspx?audioID=35938 > > > > > Absurd? > > > > > Admissions clout clearly thrived in places where families were > > > > politically savvy and well-positioned to tap into connections with > > > > elected officials and university trustees, said educators and other > > > > observers. > > > > Just how skewed was the campus clout list? Half of the 616 Illinois > > > > students who received preferential treatment from 2005 to 2009 > > > > graduated from just 22 high schools, all but one in the metro area. > > > > Meanwhile, at least 668 Illinois high schools had no clouted > > > > applicants at all. > > > > >http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-clout-schools-17-jul17,0... > > > > > There's more as you must know. I didn't apply anything to the world > > > > at large, clearly the elite school comment was pertinent to Chicago > > > > but I will admit that I think it does go on in other parts of the > > > > country and the world. Besides, you should understand that I'm > > > > addressing the fact that poverty, while there are exceptions, is a > > > > nurtured aspect of the world. It's Marx distinction between the > > > > powerful and the powerless, the establishment of a social strata which > > > > is prevalent in many parts of the world, fact is I don't know of any > > > > off hand that function without it, some are worst than others. Truth > > > > is if the world sincerely wanted to rid itself of poverty it would > > > > end. Bulldozers would raze the ghettos and decent affordable housing > > > > would be built, bankrupt farms would be financially rescued, revived > > > > and enabled to productive feed the world acreage, the same goes for > > > > much of the failed small business's that translate into jobs. But of > > > > course that wouldn't be all too profitable to the stock market, > > > > investment capitalists and bankers. Better the not so 'well to do' > > > > bail them out when they need help, no? Isn't it all so obvious, or is > > > > is just me? > > > > > On Oct 5, 6:11 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Chicago's elite public schools, the ones that parents are bedding with > > > >> aristocracy in exchange for their kids enrollment. > > > > >> very cynical, Slip. Inner city schools have additional problems that > > > >> come with poverty, there is not doubt about that. But to state that > > > >> other schools in any state provide more services because parents are > > > >> bedding with aristocracy is, well, absurd. You seem to take the worst > > > >> case scenario and apply it to the world at large. > > > > >> On Oct 5, 6:26 pm, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > Well Molly, your examples merely confirm my comment that "little" > > > >> > effort is made. I wouldn't say that the examples reflect a great > > > >> > deal > > > >> > of effort. Sure there are organizations that combat numerous > > > >> > problems > > > >> > but overall results are insignificant. Things haven't really changed > > > >> > all that much, have they? > > > > >> > I'm not assuming that "all" children are experiencing the same thing > > > >> > and I would think you should know better than that. Of course there > > > >> > are better schools, better standards and better students. I'm simply > > > >> > addressing the obvious problems. It wouldn't make sense to talk > > > >> > about > > > >> > Chicago's elite public schools, the ones that parents are bedding > > > >> > with > > > >> > aristocracy in exchange for their kids enrollment. It's about inner > > > >> > city mentality and the mentality of those who contribute to the > > > >> > development of inner cities across the country and around the world. > > > > >> > On Oct 5, 1:15 pm, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> > > "I feel that little sincere effort is made towards nurturing > > > >> > > peace", > > > >> > > SD > > > > >> > > I disagree, and offer some of the following organizations that are > > > >> > > active in nurturing peace in > > > >> > > societies:http://www.cnvc.org/http://www.americanhumane.org/protecting-children... > > > > >> > > "We don't actually try to instill attitudes of peace but relay the > > > >> > > idea that violence is a solution." SD > > > > >> > > You may be encouraged to know that most Middle and High Schools in > > > >> > > the > > > >> > > US have made diversity and non violence a big part of their > > > >> > > curriculum, mission and code of conduct. Often their state funding > > > >> > > depends on it. There are certainly messages out there that our > > > >> > > children receive, that give the idea that violence is a solution. > > > >> > > But > > > >> > > we do, as a society, in the public school system, give alternative > > > >> > > ideas. It would be nice to think that kids get that at home also. > > > >> > > We > > > >> > > all know this is not always the case. > > > > >> > > It would be a mistake to watch the video of the gang fight in > > > >> > > Chicago > > > >> > > and assume that all of our children experience this or that our > > > >> > > schools do nothing to instill attitudes of non violence. > > > > >> > > "It's all about self preservation and greed." That may be part of > > > >> > > it, > > > >> > > but is not all of it. There is a great big green movement out > > > >> > > there > > > >> > > trying to save the world, and the angry, mean green meme are > > > >> > > willing > > > >> > > to fight anyone they have to to do it. This is a developmental > > > >> > > stage > > > >> > > of the individual's ability to work in a group, and not, I think, a > > > >> > > reflection of our ability as a whole to progress. People fight. > > > >> > > They > > > >> > > fight for, they fight against, they just > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
