The problem with Gruff's list is that most of the figures don't
survive 'revisionist' history, though one of us would.  Even Albert
Schweitzer  (Sartre was his nephew) turns out not quite as advertised
on the tin and some of Woodrow Wilson's speeches in Congress are
pretty scary.  Politics has pretty broadly let us down and can seem to
have changed not at all on reading Aristotle or Machiavelli.  I don't
know what my list of 'vestigial virgins' on peace would be.  The point
might be how we can be positive without succumbing to ideology - this
is all-too-difficult.

On 10 Oct, 22:09, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote:
> he has my support and prayers
> Allan
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:34 PM, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > The Nobel Peace Prize is awarded annually "to the person who shall
> > have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations,
> > for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding
> > and promotion of peace congresses."
>
> > I have to ask, Mr. Johnson, why do you only highlight what are even
> > questionable undeserving recipients?  Why do you point up only the
> > negative?  Is it your purpose to defeat anything good?  At times your
> > writing sounds like it?
>
> > But that's all right.  I'll counterbalance.
>
> > Among the more notable winners in the 114 years history of the Nobel
> > prize are the following:
>
> > Theodore Roosevelt
> > Louis Renault
> > Woodrow Wilson
> > Frank B. Kellogg
> > Jane Addams
> > (Not so ironically, the committee awarded no peace prize in 1939,
> > 1940, 1941, 1942 and 1943.  The award in 1944 was given to the
> > International Red Cross.)
> > Cordell Hull
> > Albert Schweitzer
> > Dag Hammarskjöld
> > Linus Carl Pauling
> > Martin Luther King, Jr.
> > Henry A. Kissinger
> > Lê Ðuc Tho (refused award)
> > Mohamed Anwar Al-Sadat
> > Menachem Begin
> > Mother Teresa
> > Lech Wałęsa
> > Desmond Mpilo Tutu
> > The 14th Dalai Lama
> > Desmond Mpilo Tutu
> > Nelson Mandela
> > Frederik Willem de Klerk
> > Yitzhak Rabin
> > Shimon Peres
> > Jody Williams
> > Kofi Annan
> > Shirin Ebadi
> > Mohamed ElBaradei
> > Al Gore
>
> > According to the Nobel committee Barack Obama Was awarded the Peace
> > prize "for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international
> > diplomacy and cooperation between peoples."  No one can deny his
> > efforts and he may win it again for his future successes in this
> > goal.
>
> > It is my hope and belief that he will achieve these goals.
>
> > On Oct 9, 5:27 am, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Picked with a two week resume, he joins the Nobel club with such
> > > luminaries as Jimmy Carter and Yassir Arafat.  How fitting.  Dividends
> > > from the World Apology Tour '09.
>
> > > Time to expand on that Ignobel list Archy.
>
> > > dj
>
> --
> (
>  )
> I_D Allan
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