Very good Allan, accurate observation on all counts, rare occasion but accurate nonetheless. Obama easily transcends the Bush childish bravado and seems to stand on his own platform.
On Oct 11, 2:33 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > Vam sometimes I think you walk with your eyes closed because you do not want > to see. One thing I see happening he is dissolving the school yard bully > mentality that was so deeply installed by the Bush mentality, bringing into > play a genuine desire for Peace that is something that is desperately needed > by this world to day. > > "I see said the blind man but he did not see at all!" > Allan > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Vam <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Thank you, OM ! The quotes are grim reminders of ourself and of > > irrational power structures rooted in our mass ignorance. > > I see all this sing - a - song ga - ga paen to BO as being symptomatic > > of much the same, albeit a ' feel good ' one. > > > What we need be doing is not to suspend our critical eye and to > > continue to ask : BO ... who ? > > > What has he done ? What is he doing ? What does it bode for our > > future ? There are some positives, in terms of what he's said he > > represents. But, at the end of the day, we are still to find out if > > did it all lead to causing more trust, goodwill, security, hope, > > transparency, fraternity, simplicity, joy and happiness ... ? > > > Did it take us closer to reconciliation of people who are merely > > different, who merely have different perspectives, who are either > > violent ( for reasons of their own ) or are facing the violent ( for > > no rhyme or reason ) ? > > > Did we end up changing the world, its global power structures, > > thoughts, beliefs and attitudes, resource management priorities and > > poverty management practices ? > > > Did we come to strengthen and orient our global institutions towards > > voices of the different, small, poor and weak people among us ? > > > Have we better assured ourselves from all the violence potential in > > the arms stockpiles, ideology wars, global warmimg, military - > > industrial - economic cliques ... ? > > > Have we brought the interests of the common global citizen to our > > collective fore ? > > > The day we have some positive answers and evidence to back up, that > > would be the day to let BO know how we see his life and his work ! > > The rest is either religious fervour or political subtlety. > > > On Oct 11, 5:15 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > PEACE: > > > > “They who have put out the people’s eyes reproach them of their > > > blindness.” - John Milton, 1642. > > > > The Third Reich was very effective in many ways. I think we have much > > > to learn from their rhetoric which, when analyzed, can be quite > > > instructive. Much of it points directly to the methodology used > > > globally ever since. Without an understanding of how leaders > > > manufacture consent, we are doomed to repeating the human frailty of > > > susceptibility to nationalistic appetites and we will never have the > > > clarity of mind, emotion and will to be able to demand the peace which > > > is our absolute right. – OM > > > > From a conversation with Herman Goering (a German politician, military > > > leader and a leading member of the Nazi Party) in his cell at the > > > Nuremberg trials 4/18/1946 found in ‘Nurenberg Diary’, a book by > > > Gustave Gilbert who was an intelligence officer and psychologist > > > granted free access by the Allies to all prisoners held in the > > > Nurenberg jail: > > > > ======www.snopes.com===== > > > > “Why, of course, the people don’t want war,” Goering shrugged “Why > > > would some poor slob on a farm risk his life in a war when the best he > > > can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, > > > the common people don’t want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor > > > in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, > > > after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy > > > and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it > > > is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a > > > Communist dictatorship.” > > > > “There is one difference,” I [Gilbert] pointed out. “In a democracy > > > the people have some say in the matter through their elected > > > representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare > > > wars.” > > > > [Goering] “Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the > > > people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is > > > easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and > > > denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country > > > to danger. It works the same way in any country.” > > > > ====== > > > > JOSEPH GOEBBELS - a German politician and Reichsminister of Propaganda > > > in Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945. > > > > "...the rank and file are usually much more primitive than we imagine. > > > Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and > > > repetitious. The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no > > > success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind > > > constantly...it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them > > > over and over." – Joseph Goebbels > > > > “During a war, news should be given out for instruction rather than > > > information." – Joseph Goebbels > > > > "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will > > > eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such > > > time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic > > > and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally > > > important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, > > > for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, > > > the truth is the greatest enemy of the State." – Joseph Goebbels > > > > “Whoever can conquer the street will one day conquer the state, for > > > every form of power politics and any dictatorship-run state has its > > > roots in the street.” – Joseph Goebbels > > > > "It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of > > > public opinion." – Joseph Goebbels > > > > ===== > > > > Quotes from the movie “Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the > > > Media” www.IMDB.Com > > > > Noam Chomsky: The point is that in a military state or a feudal state, > > > or what you would nowadays call a totalitarian state, it doesn't much > > > matter what people think, because you've got a legend over there that > > > you can control what they do. But when the state looses legend, and > > > you can't control people by force. And when the voice of the people > > > can be heard you have this problem, it may make people so curious and > > > so arrogant that they don't have the humility to submit to a civil > > > rule. And therefore you have to control what people think. > > > > Noam Chomsky: Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. > > > So was Stalin. If you're really in favor of free speech, then you're > > > in favor of freedom of speech for precisely for views you despise. > > > Otherwise, you're not in favor of free speech. > > > > Noam Chomsky: There's maybe twenty percent of the population that is > > > relatively educated, more or less articulate, that play some kind of > > > role in decision making. They're supposed to participate in social > > > life either as managers, or cultural managers, like say, teachers, > > > writers and so on. They're supposed to vote. They're supposed to play > > > some role in the way economic, political and cultural life goes on. > > > Now they're consent is crucial. It's one group that has to be deeply > > > indoctrinated. Then there's maybe eighty percent of the population > > > whose main function is to follow orders and not to think. > > > > Noam Chomsky: When the state looses the bludgeon... you have to > > > control what people think. And the standard way to do this is to > > > resort to what in more honest days used to be called propaganda. > > > > Noam Chomsky: There's nothing more remote from what we have been > > > discussing than a conspiracy theory. If I give an analysis of, say the > > > economic system, and I point out that GM tries to maximize profit and > > > market share - that's not a conspiracy theory; that's an institutional > > > analysis. It has nothing to do with conspiracies. That's precisely the > > > sense in which we've been talking about the media. The phrase > > > "conspiracy theory" is one of those that's constantly brought up, and > > > I think it's effect simply is to discourage institutional analysis. > > > > Noam Chomsky: Suppose I get on "Nightline". I'm given two minutes and > > > I say Quaddafi is a terrorist or Khomeini is a murderer... I don't > > > need any evidence, everybody just nods. On the other hand, suppose you > > > say something that just isn't regurgitating conventional pieties... > > > Suppose you say "The biggest international terror operations that are > > > known are the ones that are run out of Washington", or suppose, you > > > say "What happened in the 1980s is the US government was driven > > > underground", suppose I say "The US is invading South Vietnam," as it > > > was, or "The best political leaders are the ones that are lazy and > > > corrupt", "If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war > > > american president would have been hanged.", "The Bible is one of the > > > most genocidal books in the total canon.", "Education is a system of > > > imposed ignorance", "There is no more morality in world affairs, > > > fundamentally, then there was at the time of Genghis Khan..." People > > > will, quite reasonably, expect to know what you mean. Why did you say > > > that ?... You'd better have a lot of evidence... But you can't give > > > evidence if you're stuck with concision. That's the genius of this > > > structural contraint. And in my view, people from Nightline and so on, > > > if they were smarter, if they were better propagandists, they would > > > let dissidents on, let them on more in > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
