"...I'm left with the difficult vision that
the better world is rendered unachievable by desires that the people
in it be different, including me." - Neil

Aye, this is at the core of dissatisfactions. AA has its methodology,
theology has its brand. Exploring the vast landscape of life is itself
a divine practice. There is no additional anthropomorphism required.

I admit to obviously seeing a more ideal world too. If I didn’t my
rants would be meaningless. However, the sad fact is that they are
meaningless in the sense that what is is, and without professing a
theology, it is not my will involved.


On Oct 10, 8:08 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> The question implicit in the description of Orn's wonderful life is
> why we can't just retire at birth.  I've just been reading Aristotle's
> 'Politics' and this more or less suggests the same.  Citizens in its
> great societies more or less require this, work being done by others.
> This only goes to show there are Orns even older than the Orn
> himself.  I have found growing old as disappointing as prayer, more or
> less a process of wanting something other than the rat-race, or giving
> up to be looked after in the asylum.  I've spent some time in the last
> years in a form of prayer, mostly discovering the hill of beans ain't
> worth the candle, and failing to achieve the nirvana of not being
> ashamed to fart in public.  I'm left with the difficult vision that
> the better world is rendered unachievable by desires that the people
> in it be different, including me.
>
> On 10 Oct, 21:14, gruff <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Prayer in a nutshell ... the power of positive thought !!  (as an
> > added benefit it has nothing to do with a god and works quite well
> > without one.)
>
> > On Oct 6, 5:41 pm, bobby <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Ask and you shall receive. DOES NOT say ask ME and you shall receive.
>
> > > Too often people think they are praying TO God, outside of them...in
> > > heaven somewhere...
>
> > > Lets put aside the obvious God knows everything then why would I even
> > > HAVE to pray to (him??)
>
> > > Can you transfer your thoughts outside your own body? Never the
> > > less...into HEAVEN miles and miles away in space somewhere.
>
> > > When you PRAY you are not ASKING some being to GRANT to you.
>
> > > You should be stating what you want and your energy will flow there.
>
> > > It's a responsibility thing...I think religions are great for the
> > > people who are religious but from MY point of view they are
> > > irresponsible. When something doesn't go their way they blame
> > > GOD...when it does they blame GOD. The way the world has worked the
> > > last 13 thousand years has been giving power away... it's changing.
>
> > > Happiness,
>
> > > bg.- Hide quoted text -
>
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