Do you know what the BNP is Vam?
On 24 Oct, 06:21, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote:
> " ... we haven't done anything other than make matters worse ... "
>
> This refrain in your sentiments is noticeable, Neil, ever since I've
> read your first post on this forum. How about joining the BNP and
> actually doing something about the mess, to be true to yourself ?
>
> Or, could you critically analyse your sentiments and redress it within
> yourself ? Especially since history is marching right in front of
> your eye, like an avalanche, and your discomforts and " serious "
> reservations mean nothing for the future ! In which case, dump your
> sentiments and join in the flow. There might be a lot of goodness,
> happiness and freedom in that.
>
> Yes, you may continue to feel as you do now, and spread your
> bitterness and timid disagreements all about you.
>
> Perhaps, there are more choice if you were to go looking.
>
> On Oct 24, 6:11 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Have to agree with that Francis. Our eldest daughter is leftie and
> > hated living in London (Hackney), saying many black and Asian people
> > made her feel really uncomfortable, especially Town Hall staff and
> > 'street blacks'. I tend to agree and my experience there is 20 years
> > old. Griffin hits a chord on this and it sickens me we haven't done
> > anything other than make matters worse since Powell. The lack of
> > proper mainstream argument is sickening. If this is affecting even
> > people like us it's really serious. Polls over the last days show
> > huge support in principle amongst many who would have no truck with
> > the BNP or even UKIP. It doesn't help to have idiots like Dianne
> > Abbott (Labour Hackney - kids at public school) telling us everything
> > is hunky-dory in multicultural London and it's only up North where
> > there is effective segregation where there are problems. The lying
> > going on is now routine.
> > Ian pointed out long ago that Labour has got itself into a mess with
> > Islam, but it has also lost any grip on what it used to stand for.
> > When Tories start to look preferable to me, something dire has
> > happened and I have to say I think Labour is now Stalinist in its
> > responses to criticism (and also Bushist). I've tended to regard
> > German politics as a bit more civilised, but I thought that of France
> > before worked there.
>
> > On 23 Oct, 17:51, frantheman <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > I've been reading some of the press reports on Griffin on "Question
> > > Time" - I just don't have the stomach to watch the thing on-line.
>
> > > The best recruiting sergeants for Griffin, his BNP whackos and other
> > > assorted fascoid loonies are the established parties - not just in
> > > Britain. They have succeeded in destroying any credibility and belief
> > > in their sincerity and integrity among western populations in general.
> > > No wonder that little people, who feel hurt, betrayed and hard-done-by
> > > by the political elites, become cannon-fodder for such simplistic,
> > > hate-mongering bastards.
>
> > > Francis
>
> > > On 23 Okt., 13:28, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > It's a given that the BBC milked all of the publicity for their own
> > > > ends, *shrug* I don't mind that so much, it's great that he was given
> > > > some TV time, I would expect no less in a democracy. I realy don't
> > > > even care if he garners more support, on the whole I still think that
> > > > he is in a tiny, little, wheeny minority.
>
> > > > Things do seem to be differant down here in London town Neil, there
> > > > are soooo many people from all over the globe here that
> > > > multiculturalism is second nature to us.
>
> > > > On 22 Oct, 21:53, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > I'm an over-tolerant man as you know Lee. I've actually been rather
> > > > > impressed by whatever-his-name is. I don't hit the pubs as often
> > > > > these days and it had been a few months when Peter and I met up in our
> > > > > 'local'. He noticed a distinct swing to the right in the
> > > > > conversation. I had a couple more in another after he went home and
> > > > > found a bunch of skinheads playing punk. The old jokes are back in
> > > > > fashion and some are openly saying they will vote BNP. Not been down
> > > > > South for some time - is the experience replicated your way?
> > > > > What strikes me is that even I think the BNP, EDL, UKIP line makes
> > > > > more sense of what people tell me they are worried about than our
> > > > > truly dead 'official politics' and media punditry. The only possible
> > > > > ways to vote for me are Liberal and Green, but they aren't talking
> > > > > about the pain being suffered.
> > > > > It can't be right to silence the BNP in a democracy, but I suspect
> > > > > they are not the real problem - this is much more to do with why no
> > > > > one is articulating people's real fears and genuine solutions to the
> > > > > mess we are in. I want to listen to the BNP and whatever effect they
> > > > > are having on people. Quite what I'd do if large numbers start to
> > > > > vote for them is another matter. If they are genuine democrats and
> > > > > would not abandon the ballot if in power, I think I would have to put
> > > > > up with them as government. This might be a pigs might fly argument,
> > > > > but we are already not democratic in so many ways. This may be why
> > > > > fascism is gaining ground.
> > > > > The answer to Pigsly is surely not to character assassinate him in
> > > > > advance. I dislike the BBCs use of him as advertising material too.
> > > > > I think he will cope rather well, perhaps as we might shine in a
> > > > > cricket match of the blind. Labour and the Tories have been using
> > > > > Goebels-like tactics for a long time. If he does manage to articulate
> > > > > his constituency without being racist-sexist-thuggish, he may
> > > > > embarrass the business as usual types Question Time usually gives
> > > > > floor-space to. I see none of them talking about the real lives around
> > > > > me. This is not to wish him well.
>
> > > > > On 22 Oct, 10:24, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > So the big question for today is who is going to be watching
> > > > > > Question
> > > > > > Time this evening?
>
> > > > > > Yep, me, I already have beer in and soft stuff piled up next to my
> > > > > > chair(ready for throwing at the TV), I have warned the family I may
> > > > > > ge
> > > > > > a little more shouty at the box than normal.
>
> > > > > > Man I hope the little fucker gets pieces ripped out of him, ahhhh
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > then I'm not really a violent man.......but still.
>
> > > > > > I think it should be not only great TV (damn I'm sounding like
> > > > > > sombody
> > > > > > who has spent too long in the industry now), but hopefully will show
> > > > > > the BNP for exactly what they are.- Hide quoted text -
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