" If you are so out of it to want me to join the BNP ... " Why would I want that ? My point is : Do whatever ... that you believe is the best way forward ... but do, because there is no else out there who will dispel your despair !
" I really do think you've missed the point ... " I really have no point except the above. " ... and can't get over remembered pain dished out by 'betters'. " I have constantly found my betters through my growing up process. And, they were not perfect ! On Oct 26, 4:48 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > I was once innocent enough Vam to think the Herren only responsible > for my garden pond not having fish in it. What the fascists need is > those dumb enough to follow their way forward. I'd be interested to > meet those who are better and are prepared not to use this as a power > over others (however sagely). I have seen none of these leaders, only > very sad people who have manipulated, whether Marx, Lenin, Kennedy, > Bush, Churchill, Thatcher, Mitterand, Gandhi, Blair = the list is > endless. There is another way available, but it ain't millennialism > and it will rely on more informed communication and equality (formed > by groups of people with varying abilities and problems). If you are > so out of it to want me to join the BNP I really do think you've > missed the point and can't get over remembered pain dished out by > 'betters'. > > On 25 Oct, 22:44, gabbydott <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I do get your point, but I'm not showing you the way, because we are > > better than you. - Hello-ooh, knock-knock, anybody at home? > > > On 25 Okt., 08:36, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > " There are no ideas about ... " > > > > That seems to be a very blinkered view. May be you should be looking > > > elsewhere. There are people better than us, Neil, who can show the way > > > forward to us ! > > > > But the point is : Do I have the idea, one that is substantial and > > > overpoweringly clear ? Am I willing to be guided by that clarity, > > > even if the whole universe does not see any value in it ? > > > > On Oct 25, 4:46 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > They are the kind of party that you can't really agree with Vam, but > > > > they are also difficult to dismiss if you try to be open and fair. > > > > Chomsky has tried to debate with them and their ilk and I have allowed > > > > the voice in some classes, though most who get to university believe > > > > them to be rotten. The interesting thing is that the constituency > > > > they claim is not represented by anyone else. Politics is not about > > > > leadership and should not be. A charismatic fascist might make it > > > > here and there is a reaction against multiculturalism for one to take > > > > up old gauntlets. There is no one sensible to vote for. There are no > > > > ideas about and politics is driven by false issues such as crime as > > > > though the only answers lie in punishment rather than in changing > > > > society. Griffin is useless and yet having an effect - god help us if > > > > someone like Blair turns up with his intent! > > > > > On 24 Oct, 17:15, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I know it is an extreme right wing party, parochially obsessed with a > > > > > past and overwhelmed with a fear for the future. We have a few here in > > > > > India. > > > > > > History tells me they have a life span of 20 odd years. I rejoice that > > > > > most of us on this planet are liberal, pro - freedom, though victims > > > > > of the same propensity for excess and dullness. We are trying to > > > > > institutionalise the balance in our life. The constitution is a good > > > > > tool for guiding ourselves. But the journey is just about 100 years > > > > > old. It has taken us that long to make fun of patriotism publicly. The > > > > > crisis - ridden bumps on the way have left us poorer, perhaps weaker, > > > > > but more aware and hence more committed. > > > > > > The business world acknowledges the economic value of sentiments, and > > > > > not just in consumeristic sense, but it has not been very good at > > > > sharing technologies, establishing good governance processes and > > > > > systems, monitoring, reviewing and improving. And politics still > > > > > yields a visionary, a driven statesman or a competent leader, only > > > > > once in an unpredictable while. > > > > > > In other words, perfection remains an idea. We can choose to let the > > > > > idea drive and direct our life and energies, or not. Let the future be > > > > > of our choosing. > > > > > > On Oct 24, 1:36 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Doyou knoww what the BNP is Vam? > > > > > > > On 24 Oct, 06:21, Vamadevananda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > ... we haveen't done anything other than make matters worse ... > > > > > > > " > > > > > > > > This refrain in your sentiments is noticeable, Neil, ever since > > > > > > > I've > > > > > > > read your first post on this forum. How about joining the BNP and > > > > > > > actually doing something about the mess, to be true to yourself ? > > > > > > > > Or, could you critically analyse your sentiments and redress it > > > > > > > within > > > > > > > yourself ? Especially since history is marching right in front of > > > > > > > your eye, like an avalanche, and your discomforts and " serious " > > > > > > > reservations mean nothing for the future ! In which case, dump > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > sentiments and join in the flow. There might be a lot of goodness, > > > > > > > happiness and freedom in that. > > > > > > > > Yes, you may continue to feel as you do now, and spread your > > > > > > > bitterness and timid disagreements all about you. > > > > > > > > Perhaps, there are more choice if you were to go looking. > > > > > > > > On Oct 24, 6:11 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Have to agree with tha Franciss. Our eldest daughter is leftie > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > hated living in London (Hackney), saying many black and Aian > > > > > > > > peeople > > > > > > > > made her feel really uncomfortable, especially Town Hall staff > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > 'street blacks'. I tend to agree and my experience there is 20 > > > > > > > > years > > > > > > > > old. Griffin hits a chord on this and it sickens me we haven't > > > > > > > > done > > > > > > > > anything other than make matters worse since Powell. The lack > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > proper mainstream argument is sickening. If this is affecting > > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > people like us it's really serious. Polls over the last days > > > > > > > > show > > > > > > > > huge support in principle amongst many who would have no truck > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > the BNP or even UKIP. It doesn't help to have idiots like > > > > > > > > Dianne > > > > > > > > Abbott (Labour Hackney - kids at public school) telling us > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > is hunky-dory in multicultural London and it's only up North > > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > > there is effective segregation where there are problems. The > > > > > > > > lying > > > > > > > > going on is now routine. > > > > > > > > Ian pointed out long ago that Labour has got itself into a mess > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > Islam, but it has also lost any grip on what it used to stand > > > > > > > > for. > > > > > > > > When Tories start to look preferable to me, something dire has > > > > > > > > happened and I have to say I think Labour is now Stalinist in > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > responses to criticism (and also Bushist). I've tended to > > > > > > > > regard > > > > > > > > German politics as a bit more civilised, but I though that oof > > > > > > > > France > > > > > > > > before worked there. > > > > > > > > > On 23 Oct, 17:51, frantheman <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I've been reading some of the press rports on GGriffin on > > > > > > > > > "Question > > > > > > > > > Time" - I just don't have the stomach to watch the thing > > > > > > > > > on-line. > > > > > > > > > > The best recruiting sergeants for Griffin, his BNP whackos > > > > > > > > > and other > > > > > > > > > assorted fascoid loonies are the established parties - not > > > > > > > > > just in > > > > > > > > Brritain. They have succeeded in destoying aany credibility > > > > > > and belief > > > > > > > > > in their sincerity and integrity among western populations in > > > > > > > > > general. > > > > > > > > > No wonder that little people, who feel hurt, betrayed and > > > > > > > > > hard-done-by > > > > > > > > > by the political elites, become cannon-fodder for such > > > > > > > > > simplistic, > > > > > > > > > hate-mongering bastards. > > > > > > > > > > Francis > > > > > > > > > > On 23 Okt., 13:28, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > It's a given that the BBC milked all of the publicity or > > > > > > > > > > their own > > > > > > > > > > ends, *shrug* I don't mind that so much, it's great that he > > > > > > > > > > was given > > > > > > > > > > some TV time, I would expect no less in a democracy. I > > > > > > > > > > realy don't > > > > > > > > > > even care if he garners more support, on the whole I still > > > > > > > > > > think that > > > > > > > > > > he is i a tiiny, little, wheeny minority. > > > > > > > > > > > Things do seem to be differant down here in London town > > > > > > > > > > Neil, there > > > > > > > > > > aresoooo many people from all over the globe here that > > > > > > > > > multiculturalism is second nature to us. > > > > > > > > > > On 222 Oct, 21:53, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm an over-tolerant man as you know Lee. I've actually > > > > > > > > > > > been rathe > > > > > > > > > impressed by whatever-his-name is. I don't hit the pubs as > > > > > > > > often > > > > > > > > > > > these days and it had been a few months when Peter and I > > > > > > > > > > > met up in our > > > > > > > > > > > 'local'. He noticed a distinct swing to the right in the > > > > > > > > > > > conversation. I had a couple more in another after he > > > > > > > > > > > went home and > > > > > > > > > > > found a bunch of skinheads playing punk. The old jokes > > > > > > > > > > > are back in > > > > > > > > > > > fashion and some are openly saying they will vote BNP. > > > > > > > > > > > Not been down > > > > > > > > > > > South for some time - is the experience replicated your > > > > > > > > > > > way? > > > > > > > > > > > What strikes me is that even I think the BNP, EDL, UKIP > > > > > > > > > > > line makes > > > > > > > > > > > more sense of what people tell me they are worried about > > > > > > > > > > > than our > > > > > > > > > > > truly dead 'official politics' and media punditry. The > > > > > > > > > > > only possible > > > > > > > > > > > ways to vote for me are Liberal and Green, but they > > > > > > > > > > > aren't talking > > > > > > > > > > > about the pain being suffered. > > > > > > > > > > > It can't be right to silence the BNP in a democracy, but > > > > > > > > > > > I suspect > > > > > > > > > > > they are not the real problem - this is much more to do > > > > > > > > > > > with why no > > > > > > > > > > > one is articulating people's real fears and genuine > > > > > > > > > > > solutions to the > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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