I'm sorry, Molly, can you expand on this whole soul business? I use the word sometimes, with my very own murky idea of what it is exactly. See, I was raised with a Biblical background, but it was in a cultish environment with its own interpretation of Christian symbols. I was taught there is no such thing as a soul, and it was only used by Bible as another world for a person, their 'self' as a body. Whether that was right or wrong as a teaching in the Christian context, I am no longer interested in researching, but it has left me with a disconnect on the whole 'soul' subject.
To me, a soul is just the totality of a person, including those elements that we aren't conciously aware of. What is a soul to you, Molly? On Oct 26, 6:46 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > The subject of the soul is big, and there is much material that can be > referenced. Many in this group don't consider it at all, and that in > itself, I think, can shape our experience. There is a newly released > book called Soul Shaping by Jeff Brown that is getting alot of buzz, > although I haven't read it. I hear from others who give it a rave. > > I think that like our psychological awareness, our soul awareness > expands and changes over the course of our lives. I see soul as that > intermediary to spirit, like ego to our psyche. Once we have > clarified ego, our psyche is much more integrated and accessible. > Likewise with soul, once we are fully aware of it, spirit is more > integrated and accessible. Karma, or the law of cause and effect, in > soul can, I think, be transcended when we reach the state of full > acceptance. Much like the state where we are no longer bound by > transference or projection of ego once we can accept our emotional > structures and stop relying on them as a basis of response - I think > we are no longer bound by karma when we accept ourselves as everyone > that has ever lived, ever will live, is living. This acceptance of > death in life takes us beyond cause and effect, and brings us into a > state that allows the manifestation of our experience based on our > recognition of possibility and commitment (love) of life. > > This is my experience of reincarnation and soul. Thanks for asking. > > On Oct 26, 5:19 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Synesius (AD 370-480), Bishop of Ptolemais, also taught the concept, and in > > a prayer that has survived, he says: "Father, grant that my soul may merge > > into the light, and be no more thrust back into the illusion of earth." > > > This is an interesting Idea, and the bishop is very right. Because the soul > > is able to be reborn to continue its journey to spiritual harmony and > > balance with the Father Creator (God). Yes Orn back to common knowledge, all > > souls know this or at least the great knowledge and those that don't if any > > are few and far between. so I do not think it something that needs to be > > taught as dogma and doctrine. > > > The object of our life is to improve our spiritual condition striving for > > harmony and balance within the concept of the universe and related planes. > > As the Universal law simply stated is be good it leaves a lot of latitude > > because we are supposed to do as little harm as possible contributing to the > > betterment of all. > > > The problem with metempsychosis teaching is that there are those will look > > at the concept and say oh goody I have another go round, as a result causing > > great harm to those around them and our world. The problem with this is it > > can lead to the deepest and darkest hole of shame and despair with complete > > separation from the rest of the universe. Their whole world becomes one of > > self centred being and emptiness, with this shame burdening the soul I think > > it becomes awful difficult to go through metempsychosis. > > > Metempsychosis now that is a cool word. > > Allan > > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:15 AM, ornamentalmind > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > Some approach the inclusion of reincarnation in much of the ‘original’ > > > forms of Christianity in a less condensed and less jocular way. > > > >http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/reincar/re-imo.htm > > > > On Oct 25, 4:51 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Carnation is our leading brand of condensed milk Doris. I suspect > > > > Moll takes her coffee black ... > > > > > On 25 Oct, 16:20, Doris Ragland <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Molly what do you think about recarnation ??? and what do you know > > > > > about this ? Thank You > > > > > > On Oct 25, 6:00 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Thanks for the beautiful description of the final (in this life) > > > > > > resurrection, Alan. I think we also go through (if we are lucky) > > > many > > > > > > smaller ones in our life, where we are able to shed the old > > > > > > structures, biases and beliefs of ego and reinvent ourselves, > > > > > > resurrect our spirit anew in this life and begin again. > > > > > > > On Oct 25, 5:01 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I used to belong to an astronomy club in Bozeman Montana.. and > > > several o the > > > > > > > members ran the planetarium that is there so we would look at a > > > lot of > > > > > > > different ideas, and there was a solar eclipse happening at the > > > time so the > > > > > > > idea came up to find out whre they had occured.. and i believe it > > > was 33 CE > > > > > > > and there was one right over jersulem around the time of his > > > crucifiction. > > > > > > > That was how they were able to date? it. > > > > > > > > The nativity scene great short story,, but there would have no > > > real reason > > > > > > > to record it and .. just can not buy it.. > > > > > > > > Miricales I am not totally ready to dismiss to many native > > > american > > > > > > > medicine men and things I don't understand I have seen and feltr > > > to much > > > > > > > and I can not explain it.. then there is my ex and that I can > > > partially > > > > > > > medically document it was weird. > > > > > > > > As for the reserection thing when my father died I was with him.. > > > very > > > > > > > tamatic for me as I loved him much more than I realized.. What > > > evolved is > > > > > > > the idea what if our life here is a form of death of the soul or > > > maybe a > > > > > > > proving ground for morality.. and upon death one given > > > > > > > accounting > > > of ones > > > > > > > life and choices(God does not provide it) rather it is a record we > > > create of > > > > > > > our own memories. If death is really the rebirth into a totally > > > spiritual > > > > > > > existance which I think the soul is designed for what you have is > > > the true > > > > > > > definition of a reserection.. the rebirth back into the spiritual > > > life. > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > , Alan Wosterberg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey, Allan -- I didn't know there was "an event astronomically > > > that > > > > > > > > can be dated like a total solar eclipse over Jerusalem in 33 > > > CE.". > > > > > > > > Cool! > > > > > > > > > You have "often wondered what the new testament of the bible > > > would > > > > > > > > be like if you removed the parts that are in reality are made up > > > > > > > > short stories used to sell a bill of goods. ". It seems most > > > others > > > > > > > > here agree with your premise. > > > > > > > > > But I don't see how one could know "in realitiy" the > > > > > > > > resurrection > > > and > > > > > > > > nativity are stories, unless it is just deduction from an > > > a-priori > > > > > > > > principle such as "miracles don't happen", in which case every > > > report > > > > > > > > of a miracle must be interpreted as a story. Very well, but one > > > who > > > > > > > > does not accept this principle is not obliged to dismiss the > > > miracles > > > > > > > > as stories. > > > > > > > > > But assuming they are stories, this raises a second question. > > > What's a > > > > > > > > good way to sell a bill of goods? One can hardly sell a bill of > > > goods > > > > > > > > by sticking to facts. Perhaps, then, it is the end -- "a bill > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > goods" that is the culprit, and not the means: making up > > > > > > > > stories. > > > > > > > > > In which case, what is the bill of goods being sold? I suppose > > > some > > > > > > > > misinformed atheists believe it is the promise of eternal life. > > > "Just > > > > > > > > do X", says the salesman, "and you will earn eternal life". Now > > > if > > > > > > > > that is the bill of goods being sold, the Catholic joins the > > > atheist > > > > > > > > in rejecting it! > > > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 10:57 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I have often wondered what the new testament of the bible > > > would be like > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > you removed the parts that are in reality are made up short > > > stories used > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > sell a bill of goods. An example(s) being the nativity > > > > > > > > > stories, > > > the > > > > > > > > > resurrection (misunderstood,) the writings of Saul Of Tarsus > > > the book > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > revelations. to name a few > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if a book (it would probably be very short) getting > > > rid of the > > > > > > > > > exact interpretation but rather trying to expressed express > > > > > > > > > the > > > ideas > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > Jesus the man best wanted to express. I look at our group and > > > the > > > > > > > > atheists > > > > > > > > > and agnostics have a very valuable role in working out that > > > validity of > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > is being said. There is a definite need to counter balance my > > > own > > > > > > > > beliefs > > > > > > > > > and those of other fanatics. > > > > > > > > > > To tell the truth this would be a total dream for me. There is > > > an event > > > > > > > > > astronomically that can be dated like a total solar eclipse > > > over > > > > > > > > Jerusalem > > > > > > > > > in 33 CE. I do know that there are religious fanatics in the > > > Philippines > > > > > > > > > that are crucified (literally) and they regularly survive it. > > > > > > > > > I > > > think > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > things need to be taken into account, from what I understand > > > > > > > > > it > > > actually > > > > > > > > > takes several days to die that way. > > > > > > > > > > Here I have to admit I am jealous of the sheer enlightenment > > > > > > > > > of > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > knowledge Francis and other members of this group possess. I > > > > > > > > > am > > > hoping > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > will take to this idea. > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > I_D Allan > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > ( > > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > I_D Allan- Hide > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
