" I can not help but wonder if our birth in this world is not a form of death in the spiritual world."
Indeed. Then, the death of this world and rise into the other... Untill, there is one light everywhere and nothing to die or be born into. That is what Jesus seems to be telling us, across two millenia. And the tradition he refers to, coming from God knows how many millenia before ! On Oct 26, 6:14 pm, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > You are right Molly there is massive amount written on the soul and the > reality of it is no one really know a lot about the soul. That includes > myself. Much of it comes from how I personally view concepts. I looked into > jeff brown well he has a background of being a lawyer. I am laughing as I > write this.. due to his being a lawyer and the immorality of law he would > be a prime candidate for a spiritual awaking. > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Molly Brogan <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > I think that like our psychological awareness, our soul awareness > > expands and changes over the course of our lives. > > I think you are very right there. > > > I see soul as that > > intermediary to spirit, like ego to our psyche. Once we have > > clarified ego, our psyche is much more integrated and accessible. > > Likewise with soul, once we are fully aware of it, spirit is more > > integrated and accessible. > > I think a lot of this is in how one views and idea of how things are.. To > compare the soul to spirit, a possible good comparison would be like taking > one person and comparing that person to all of humanity. that person is one > part of humanity not the totality of humanity and that becomes important. To > me I view my soul as my (physical) body in the spirit world, I am only part > of the totality and not the entirety. > > As one becomes aware of ones soul you also become aware of its connection > with the spirit and should hopefully be striving for harmony and balance. > > > Karma, or the law of cause and effect, in > > soul can, I think, be transcended when we reach the state of full > > acceptance. Much like the state where we are no longer bound by > > transference or projection of ego once we can accept our emotional > > structures and stop relying on them as a basis of response - I think > > we are no longer bound by karma when we accept ourselves as everyone > > that has ever lived, ever will live, is living. This acceptance of > > death in life takes us beyond cause and effect, and brings us into a > > state that allows the manifestation of our experience based on our > > recognition of possibility and commitment (love) of life. > > I think when we live our lives to the true spiritual law karma ceases to > exist, because it has no effect and is not needed to guide a person to a > path of correct spiritual living. (reward and punishment concept) > > My view of death has recently formed and is forming in questions,, I can > not help but wonder if our birth in this world is not a form of death in the > spiritual world. Once born here we are able to test and shape the metal of > our souls in the forge of life,, and when we die in reality we are > reincarnated back into the realm of spirit our natural home. > > > > > This is my experience of reincarnation and soul. Thanks for asking. > > Actually Molly I am the one who should be thanking you because you force me > to challenge my own thoughts and beliefs. > Allan > > > > > > > On Oct 26, 5:19 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Synesius (AD 370-480), Bishop of Ptolemais, also taught the concept, and > > in > > > a prayer that has survived, he says: "Father, grant that my soul may > > merge > > > into the light, and be no more thrust back into the illusion of earth." > > > > This is an interesting Idea, and the bishop is very right. Because the > > soul > > > is able to be reborn to continue its journey to spiritual harmony and > > > balance with the Father Creator (God). Yes Orn back to common knowledge, > > all > > > souls know this or at least the great knowledge and those that don't if > > any > > > are few and far between. so I do not think it something that needs to be > > > taught as dogma and doctrine. > > > > The object of our life is to improve our spiritual condition striving for > > > harmony and balance within the concept of the universe and related > > planes. > > > As the Universal law simply stated is be good it leaves a lot of latitude > > > because we are supposed to do as little harm as possible contributing to > > the > > > betterment of all. > > > > The problem with metempsychosis teaching is that there are those will > > look > > > at the concept and say oh goody I have another go round, as a result > > causing > > > great harm to those around them and our world. The problem with this is > > it > > > can lead to the deepest and darkest hole of shame and despair with > > complete > > > separation from the rest of the universe. Their whole world becomes one > > of > > > self centred being and emptiness, with this shame burdening the soul I > > think > > > it becomes awful difficult to go through metempsychosis. > > > > Metempsychosis now that is a cool word. > > > Allan > > > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:15 AM, ornamentalmind < > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > Some approach the inclusion of reincarnation in much of the ‘original’ > > > > forms of Christianity in a less condensed and less jocular way. > > > > >http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/reincar/re-imo.htm > > > > > On Oct 25, 4:51 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Carnation is our leading brand of condensed milk Doris. I suspect > > > > > Moll takes her coffee black ... > > > > > > On 25 Oct, 16:20, Doris Ragland <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Molly what do you think about recarnation ??? and what do you know > > > > > > about this ? Thank You > > > > > > > On Oct 25, 6:00 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks for the beautiful description of the final (in this life) > > > > > > > resurrection, Alan. I think we also go through (if we are lucky) > > > > many > > > > > > > smaller ones in our life, where we are able to shed the old > > > > > > > structures, biases and beliefs of ego and reinvent ourselves, > > > > > > > resurrect our spirit anew in this life and begin again. > > > > > > > > On Oct 25, 5:01 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I used to belong to an astronomy club in Bozeman Montana.. and > > > > several o the > > > > > > > > members ran the planetarium that is there so we would look at > > a > > > > lot of > > > > > > > > different ideas, and there was a solar eclipse happening at > > the > > > > time so the > > > > > > > > idea came up to find out whre they had occured.. and i believe > > it > > > > was 33 CE > > > > > > > > and there was one right over jersulem around the time of his > > > > crucifiction. > > > > > > > > That was how they were able to date? it. > > > > > > > > > The nativity scene great short story,, but there would have no > > > > real reason > > > > > > > > to record it and .. just can not buy it.. > > > > > > > > > Miricales I am not totally ready to dismiss to many native > > > > american > > > > > > > > medicine men and things I don't understand I have seen and > > feltr > > > > to much > > > > > > > > and I can not explain it.. then there is my ex and that I can > > > > partially > > > > > > > > medically document it was weird. > > > > > > > > > As for the reserection thing when my father died I was with > > him.. > > > > very > > > > > > > > tamatic for me as I loved him much more than I realized.. What > > > > evolved is > > > > > > > > the idea what if our life here is a form of death of the soul > > or > > > > maybe a > > > > > > > > proving ground for morality.. and upon death one given > > accounting > > > > of ones > > > > > > > > life and choices(God does not provide it) rather it is a record > > we > > > > create of > > > > > > > > our own memories. If death is really the rebirth into a > > totally > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > existance which I think the soul is designed for what you have > > is > > > > the true > > > > > > > > definition of a reserection.. the rebirth back into the > > spiritual > > > > life. > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > , Alan Wosterberg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hey, Allan -- I didn't know there was "an event > > astronomically > > > > that > > > > > > > > > can be dated like a total solar eclipse over Jerusalem in 33 > > > > CE.". > > > > > > > > > Cool! > > > > > > > > > > You have "often wondered what the new testament of the > > bible > > > > would > > > > > > > > > be like if you removed the parts that are in reality are made > > up > > > > > > > > > short stories used to sell a bill of goods. ". It seems most > > > > others > > > > > > > > > here agree with your premise. > > > > > > > > > > But I don't see how one could know "in realitiy" the > > resurrection > > > > and > > > > > > > > > nativity are stories, unless it is just deduction from an > > > > a-priori > > > > > > > > > principle such as "miracles don't happen", in which case > > every > > > > report > > > > > > > > > of a miracle must be interpreted as a story. Very well, but > > one > > > > who > > > > > > > > > does not accept this principle is not obliged to dismiss the > > > > miracles > > > > > > > > > as stories. > > > > > > > > > > But assuming they are stories, this raises a second question. > > > > What's a > > > > > > > > > good way to sell a bill of goods? One can hardly sell a bill > > of > > > > goods > > > > > > > > > by sticking to facts. Perhaps, then, it is the end -- "a > > bill of > > > > > > > > > goods" that is the culprit, and not the means: making up > > stories. > > > > > > > > > > In which case, what is the bill of goods being sold? I > > suppose > > > > some > > > > > > > > > misinformed atheists believe it is the promise of eternal > > life. > > > > "Just > > > > > > > > > do X", says the salesman, "and you will earn eternal life". > > Now > > > > if > > > > > > > > > that is the bill of goods being sold, the Catholic joins the > > > > atheist > > > > > > > > > in rejecting it! > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 10:57 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have often wondered what the new testament of the bible > > > > would be like > > > > > > > > > if > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. 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