I've often wondered why people buy in to nonsense Lon. A club that offers to damn you to hell if you don't join has nothing to offer. There are always those around who will write up the speeches and propaganda of godswank, fascism and all those crooked 'reasons' for our sons to die in foreign fields (always ours these days - theirs never serve). Flowery words have been read over dead heroes since time we have forgotten. If reincarnation is at all creative I ain't coming back with this holiday provider, not even for a cashback of thirty pieces of silver for promising to write splendid reports of the experience. We die, our bodies rot, maybe our life energy (if there is any such stuff) continues as a soul or trips back to a melting pot. We don't know though it may, for prudential reasons, be good to speculate. People lie about this stuff, but probably do no harm unless you give them money.
On 26 Oct, 15:34, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > the bible also talks about the "unseen" becoming seen. To me, this > happens as we grow in awareness of our soul, or those eternal aspects > of self. > > On Oct 26, 11:02 am, Lonlaz <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I'm sorry, Molly, can you expand on this whole soul business? I use > > the word sometimes, with my very own murky idea of what it is > > exactly. See, I was raised with a Biblical background, but it was in > > a cultish environment with its own interpretation of Christian > > symbols. I was taught there is no such thing as a soul, and it was > > only used by Bible as another world for a person, their 'self' as a > > body. Whether that was right or wrong as a teaching in the Christian > > context, I am no longer interested in researching, but it has left me > > with a disconnect on the whole 'soul' subject. > > > To me, a soul is just the totality of a person, including those > > elements that we aren't conciously aware of. What is a soul to you, > > Molly? > > > On Oct 26, 6:46 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The subject of the soul is big, and there is much material that can be > > > referenced. Many in this group don't consider it at all, and that in > > > itself, I think, can shape our experience. There is a newly released > > > book called Soul Shaping by Jeff Brown that is getting alot of buzz, > > > although I haven't read it. I hear from others who give it a rave. > > > > I think that like our psychological awareness, our soul awareness > > > expands and changes over the course of our lives. I see soul as that > > > intermediary to spirit, like ego to our psyche. Once we have > > > clarified ego, our psyche is much more integrated and accessible. > > > Likewise with soul, once we are fully aware of it, spirit is more > > > integrated and accessible. Karma, or the law of cause and effect, in > > > soul can, I think, be transcended when we reach the state of full > > > acceptance. Much like the state where we are no longer bound by > > > transference or projection of ego once we can accept our emotional > > > structures and stop relying on them as a basis of response - I think > > > we are no longer bound by karma when we accept ourselves as everyone > > > that has ever lived, ever will live, is living. This acceptance of > > > death in life takes us beyond cause and effect, and brings us into a > > > state that allows the manifestation of our experience based on our > > > recognition of possibility and commitment (love) of life. > > > > This is my experience of reincarnation and soul. Thanks for asking. > > > > On Oct 26, 5:19 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Synesius (AD 370-480), Bishop of Ptolemais, also taught the concept, > > > > and in > > > > a prayer that has survived, he says: "Father, grant that my soul may > > > > merge > > > > into the light, and be no more thrust back into the illusion of earth." > > > > > This is an interesting Idea, and the bishop is very right. Because the > > > > soul > > > > is able to be reborn to continue its journey to spiritual harmony and > > > > balance with the Father Creator (God). Yes Orn back to common > > > > knowledge, all > > > > souls know this or at least the great knowledge and those that don't if > > > > any > > > > are few and far between. so I do not think it something that needs to be > > > > taught as dogma and doctrine. > > > > > The object of our life is to improve our spiritual condition striving > > > > for > > > > harmony and balance within the concept of the universe and related > > > > planes. > > > > As the Universal law simply stated is be good it leaves a lot of > > > > latitude > > > > because we are supposed to do as little harm as possible contributing > > > > to the > > > > betterment of all. > > > > > The problem with metempsychosis teaching is that there are those will > > > > look > > > > at the concept and say oh goody I have another go round, as a result > > > > causing > > > > great harm to those around them and our world. The problem with this is > > > > it > > > > can lead to the deepest and darkest hole of shame and despair with > > > > complete > > > > separation from the rest of the universe. Their whole world becomes one > > > > of > > > > self centred being and emptiness, with this shame burdening the soul I > > > > think > > > > it becomes awful difficult to go through metempsychosis. > > > > > Metempsychosis now that is a cool word. > > > > Allan > > > > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:15 AM, ornamentalmind > > > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > Some approach the inclusion of reincarnation in much of the ‘original’ > > > > > forms of Christianity in a less condensed and less jocular way. > > > > > >http://www.theosophy-nw.org/theosnw/reincar/re-imo.htm > > > > > > On Oct 25, 4:51 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Carnation is our leading brand of condensed milk Doris. I suspect > > > > > > Moll takes her coffee black ... > > > > > > > On 25 Oct, 16:20, Doris Ragland <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Molly what do you think about recarnation ??? and what do you know > > > > > > > about this ? Thank You > > > > > > > > On Oct 25, 6:00 am, Molly Brogan <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the beautiful description of the final (in this life) > > > > > > > > resurrection, Alan. I think we also go through (if we are > > > > > > > > lucky) > > > > > many > > > > > > > > smaller ones in our life, where we are able to shed the old > > > > > > > > structures, biases and beliefs of ego and reinvent ourselves, > > > > > > > > resurrect our spirit anew in this life and begin again. > > > > > > > > > On Oct 25, 5:01 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I used to belong to an astronomy club in Bozeman Montana.. and > > > > > several o the > > > > > > > > > members ran the planetarium that is there so we would look > > > > > > > > > at a > > > > > lot of > > > > > > > > > different ideas, and there was a solar eclipse happening at > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > time so the > > > > > > > > > idea came up to find out whre they had occured.. and i > > > > > > > > > believe it > > > > > was 33 CE > > > > > > > > > and there was one right over jersulem around the time of his > > > > > crucifiction. > > > > > > > > > That was how they were able to date? it. > > > > > > > > > > The nativity scene great short story,, but there would have > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > real reason > > > > > > > > > to record it and .. just can not buy it.. > > > > > > > > > > Miricales I am not totally ready to dismiss to many native > > > > > american > > > > > > > > > medicine men and things I don't understand I have seen and > > > > > > > > > feltr > > > > > to much > > > > > > > > > and I can not explain it.. then there is my ex and that I > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > partially > > > > > > > > > medically document it was weird. > > > > > > > > > > As for the reserection thing when my father died I was with > > > > > > > > > him.. > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > tamatic for me as I loved him much more than I realized.. What > > > > > evolved is > > > > > > > > > the idea what if our life here is a form of death of the soul > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > maybe a > > > > > > > > > proving ground for morality.. and upon death one given > > > > > > > > > accounting > > > > > of ones > > > > > > > > > life and choices(God does not provide it) rather it is a > > > > > > > > > record we > > > > > create of > > > > > > > > > our own memories. If death is really the rebirth into a > > > > > > > > > totally > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > existance which I think the soul is designed for what you > > > > > > > > > have is > > > > > the true > > > > > > > > > definition of a reserection.. the rebirth back into the > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > Allan > > > > > > > > > > , Alan Wosterberg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hey, Allan -- I didn't know there was "an event > > > > > > > > > > astronomically > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > can be dated like a total solar eclipse over Jerusalem in 33 > > > > > CE.". > > > > > > > > > > Cool! > > > > > > > > > > > You have "often wondered what the new testament of the > > > > > > > > > > bible > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > be like if you removed the parts that are in reality are > > > > > > > > > > made up > > > > > > > > > > short stories used to sell a bill of goods. ". It seems > > > > > > > > > > most > > > > > others > > > > > > > > > > here agree with your premise. > > > > > > > > > > > But I don't see how one could know "in realitiy" the > > > > > > > > > > resurrection > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > nativity are stories, unless it is just deduction from an > > > > > a-priori > > > > > > > > > > principle such as "miracles don't happen", in which case > > > > > > > > > > every > > > > > report > > > > > > > > > > of a miracle must be interpreted as a story. Very well, but > > > > > > > > > > one > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > does not accept this principle is not obliged to dismiss the > > > > > miracles > > > > > > > > > > as stories. > > > > > > > > > > > But assuming they are stories, this raises a second > > > > > > > > > > question. > > > > > What's a > > > > > > > > > > good way to sell a bill of goods? One can hardly sell a > > > > > > > > > > bill of > > > > > goods > > > > > > > > > > by sticking to facts. Perhaps, then, it is the end -- "a > > > > > > > > > > bill of > > > > > > > > > > goods" that is the culprit, and not the means: making up > > > > > > > > > > stories. > > > > > > > > > > > In which case, what is the bill of goods being sold? I > > > > > > > > > > suppose > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > misinformed atheists believe it is the promise of eternal > > > > > > > > > > life. > > > > > "Just > > > > > > > > > > do X", says the salesman, "and you will earn eternal life". > > > > > > > > > > Now > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > that is the bill of goods being sold, the Catholic joins the > > > > > atheist > > > > > > > > > > in rejecting it! > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 23, 10:57 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I have often wondered what the new testament of the > > > > > > > > > > > bible > > > > > would be like > > > > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > > > you removed the parts that are in reality are made up > > > > > > > > > > > short > > > > > stories used > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > sell a bill of goods. An example(s) being the nativity > > > > > > > > > > > stories, > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > resurrection (misunderstood,) the writings of Saul Of > > > > > > > > > > > Tarsus > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
