I sense a silence on dreams of how the world should be these days.
On 28 Oct, 15:08, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> Pretty damned good Pat - thanks for taking the time. Although we've
> had a tough time since we met, Sue brought me a sense of wholeness
> I've not known before (except for a brief time that ended in
> tragedy). I hadn't been thinking of my parents consciously. This, in
> a way, is the beginning of a new space for us.
>
> On 28 Oct, 12:34, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
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> > On 28 Oct, 11:33, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > I had an odd day-dream a week ago. I had a big pond, though it was
> > > rubber-bottomed. It was in a large garden. I was looking at it,
> > > thinking of cleaning it up. I saw a baby elephant running about in
> > > the bottom of it, under the water. I called Sue to have a look. Two
> > > yobs climbed the garden wall and a saw them off with a brush. Next
> > > thing I was in trouble with alligators, not exactly scared as they
> > > were not that big and likely to be as scared of me as I them. My Dad
> > > came and sorted them. No one was at all impressed with the pond, now
> > > teeming with fish and Sue coaxed the elephant out. We went into a
> > > large, messy kitchen. My Mum was around in the background as a smell
> > > of bread and the whistling kettle on the Aga.
>
> > Symbolically, elephants are 'known' for their memory. A baby
> > elephant, though, would seem to have 'less memory' due to age(?) than
> > an older/bigger elephant. Classically, alligators and crocodiles
> > represent 'deep wisdom' of which you were not afraid, nonetheless it
> > was your father (and I'm assuming that your subconscious mind
> > associates him with the wisdom of old age) that 'sorted them out' for
> > you. The pond, itself, I think is life. Your wife coaxed out your
> > memory (the elephant) and you admit, later, that you wish that the two
> > had met. That almost speaks for itself. And, you're not afraid of
> > the 'little wisdoms' (the alligators) of life (the pond). The smell
> > of bread, I think, is a 'satisfaction from life' that you HAD when
> > your parents were around that, in the meantime, has, perhaps, waned.
> > To be honest, how many of your recent posts were all about how
> > satisfied you are with life?
> > In a nutshell, I think the dream was symbolically saying no more
> > than:
> > 1) that you wished you had the wisdom you feel your father had (or
> > the wisdom with which you credit HIM but not yourself) and that you
> > wished that Sue had known them.
> > and
> > 2) that if you DID have that wisdom, you'd be able to act in such a
> > way that you (and others) would be impressed by the pond (of life).
> > and
> > 3) that you lack a satisfaction in life (the smell of baking bread)
> > that you feel you've somehow lost since your parents have passed.
>
> > Did Sue mention something the previous day that reminded you of
> > how much you wanted them to have met? As THAT would explain her
> > coaxing the elephant (the memory of your your father) out of the pond
> > (doubling, in this respect, as your own subconscience as well as
> > representing life in general). Sound reasonable??
>
> > > Mum and Dad died long ago. I've often wished they had met Sue. Life
> > > is a bit uncertain at the moment, though a great pain has been lifted
> > > from our lives, if not quite gone. It's new start time, though we are
> > > both just escaping exhaustion after illness and stress. I'm happier
> > > than for a long time, though not quite kicking on.
>
> > > Whatever the interpretation of this dream (feel free), there is
> > > another kind of dreaming, let alone what a bit of opium might do.
> > > This is much more directly concerned with thinking, trying to get a
> > > new handle on problems and what life could be. This form of dreaming
> > > is often despised as 'idealism' or 'Utopian'. You can see a form of
> > > it in the 'real dream' above - at least in the desire for family,
> > > somewhere decent to live (though the Aga in the kitchen and smell of
> > > bread is distinctly not 'green'). We are short of a universal dream
> > > of the way we would have the world. I have tired of one tracking down
> > > crooks and violent solutions (television and films). Even destroying
> > > the Australians at cricket (though I just have in a video game)
> > > palls. What, in this sense is in our Mind's Eye? How would we have
> > > the world?
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