There is a derth Neil…at least when it comes to idealistic ‘shoulds’.
Doing my best to leave Mind Only views aside here ( not very
successfully ), my best guess is that until one knows exactly what IS
(including how the situation(s) have come about etc.) along with one’s
own true nature, appearances will continue to seem to be a nightmare.

On a more personal note, many years ago, I all but stopped having
precognition. I did notice the apparent lack, even though such visions
had not seemed to be dreams and occurred in both the dream state as
well as the awakened state. At first I felt a loss -  then (and now)
accepted the change. I do not know how or why they ceased.


On Oct 28, 2:51 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> I sense a silence on dreams of how the world should be these days.
>
> On 28 Oct, 15:08, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Pretty damned good Pat - thanks for taking the time.  Although we've
> > had a tough time since we met, Sue brought me a sense of wholeness
> > I've not known before (except for a brief time that ended in
> > tragedy).  I hadn't been thinking of my parents consciously.  This, in
> > a way, is the beginning of a new space for us.
>
> > On 28 Oct, 12:34, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > On 28 Oct, 11:33, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > I had an odd day-dream a week ago.  I had a big pond, though it was
> > > > rubber-bottomed.  It was in a large garden.  I was looking at it,
> > > > thinking of cleaning it up.  I saw a baby elephant running about in
> > > > the bottom of it, under the water.  I called Sue to have a look.  Two
> > > > yobs climbed the garden wall and a saw them off with a brush.  Next
> > > > thing I was in trouble with alligators, not exactly scared as they
> > > > were not that big and likely to be as scared of me as I them.  My Dad
> > > > came and sorted them.  No one was at all impressed with the pond, now
> > > > teeming with fish and Sue coaxed the elephant out.  We went into a
> > > > large, messy kitchen.  My Mum was around in the background as a smell
> > > > of bread and the whistling kettle on the Aga.
>
> > >      Symbolically, elephants are 'known' for their memory.  A baby
> > > elephant, though, would seem to have 'less memory' due to age(?) than
> > > an older/bigger elephant.  Classically, alligators and crocodiles
> > > represent 'deep wisdom' of which you were not afraid, nonetheless it
> > > was your father (and I'm assuming that your subconscious mind
> > > associates him with the wisdom of old age) that 'sorted them out' for
> > > you.  The pond, itself, I think is life.  Your wife coaxed out your
> > > memory (the elephant) and you admit, later, that you wish that the two
> > > had met.  That almost speaks for itself.  And, you're not afraid of
> > > the 'little wisdoms' (the alligators) of life (the pond).  The smell
> > > of bread, I think, is a 'satisfaction from life' that you HAD when
> > > your parents were around that, in the meantime, has, perhaps, waned.
> > > To be honest, how many of your recent posts were all about how
> > > satisfied you are with life?
> > >      In a nutshell, I think the dream was symbolically saying no more
> > > than:
> > >  1) that you wished you had the wisdom you feel your father had (or
> > > the wisdom with which you credit HIM but not yourself) and that you
> > > wished that Sue had known them.
> > >       and
> > >  2) that if you DID have that wisdom, you'd be able to act in such a
> > > way that you (and others) would be impressed by the pond (of life).
> > >      and
> > >  3) that you lack a satisfaction in life (the smell of baking bread)
> > > that you feel you've somehow lost since your parents have passed.
>
> > >      Did Sue mention something the previous day that reminded you of
> > > how much you wanted them to have met?  As THAT would explain her
> > > coaxing the elephant (the memory of your your father) out of the pond
> > > (doubling, in this respect, as your own subconscience as well as
> > > representing life in general).  Sound reasonable??
>
> > > > Mum and Dad died long ago.  I've often wished they had met Sue.  Life
> > > > is a bit uncertain at the moment, though a great pain has been lifted
> > > > from our lives, if not quite gone.  It's new start time, though we are
> > > > both just escaping exhaustion after illness and stress.  I'm happier
> > > > than for a long time, though not quite kicking on.
>
> > > > Whatever the interpretation of this dream (feel free), there is
> > > > another kind of dreaming, let alone what a bit of opium might do.
> > > > This is much more directly concerned with thinking, trying to get a
> > > > new handle on problems and what life could be.  This form of dreaming
> > > > is often despised as 'idealism' or 'Utopian'.  You can see a form of
> > > > it in the 'real dream' above - at least in the desire for family,
> > > > somewhere decent to live (though the Aga in the kitchen and smell of
> > > > bread is distinctly not 'green').  We are short of a universal dream
> > > > of the way we would have the world.  I have tired of one tracking down
> > > > crooks and violent solutions (television and films).  Even destroying
> > > > the Australians at cricket (though I just have in a video game)
> > > > palls.  What, in this sense is in our Mind's Eye?  How would we have
> > > > the world?- Hide quoted text -
>
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