I suspect what will happen in some cases. As for dreams, I have them
regularly but often cast them off when rising though often an image
will return and almost startle me until I realize it was part of a
dream- by then, the "plot" is usually lost.// I am glad life is better
for you.

On Oct 28, 6:01 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> I've long been tormented by knowing what is going to happen, though
> not through dreams.
>
> On 28 Oct, 22:20, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > There is a derth Neil…at least when it comes to idealistic ‘shoulds’.
> > Doing my best to leave Mind Only views aside here ( not very
> > successfully ), my best guess is that until one knows exactly what IS
> > (including how the situation(s) have come about etc.) along with one’s
> > own true nature, appearances will continue to seem to be a nightmare.
>
> > On a more personal note, many years ago, I all but stopped having
> > precognition. I did notice the apparent lack, even though such visions
> > had not seemed to be dreams and occurred in both the dream state as
> > well as the awakened state. At first I felt a loss -  then (and now)
> > accepted the change. I do not know how or why they ceased.
>
> > On Oct 28, 2:51 pm, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > I sense a silence on dreams of how the world should be these days.
>
> > > On 28 Oct, 15:08, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > Pretty damned good Pat - thanks for taking the time.  Although we've
> > > > had a tough time since we met, Sue brought me a sense of wholeness
> > > > I've not known before (except for a brief time that ended in
> > > > tragedy).  I hadn't been thinking of my parents consciously.  This, in
> > > > a way, is the beginning of a new space for us.
>
> > > > On 28 Oct, 12:34, Pat <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > On 28 Oct, 11:33, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I had an odd day-dream a week ago.  I had a big pond, though it was
> > > > > > rubber-bottomed.  It was in a large garden.  I was looking at it,
> > > > > > thinking of cleaning it up.  I saw a baby elephant running about in
> > > > > > the bottom of it, under the water.  I called Sue to have a look.  
> > > > > > Two
> > > > > > yobs climbed the garden wall and a saw them off with a brush.  Next
> > > > > > thing I was in trouble with alligators, not exactly scared as they
> > > > > > were not that big and likely to be as scared of me as I them.  My 
> > > > > > Dad
> > > > > > came and sorted them.  No one was at all impressed with the pond, 
> > > > > > now
> > > > > > teeming with fish and Sue coaxed the elephant out.  We went into a
> > > > > > large, messy kitchen.  My Mum was around in the background as a 
> > > > > > smell
> > > > > > of bread and the whistling kettle on the Aga.
>
> > > > >      Symbolically, elephants are 'known' for their memory.  A baby
> > > > > elephant, though, would seem to have 'less memory' due to age(?) than
> > > > > an older/bigger elephant.  Classically, alligators and crocodiles
> > > > > represent 'deep wisdom' of which you were not afraid, nonetheless it
> > > > > was your father (and I'm assuming that your subconscious mind
> > > > > associates him with the wisdom of old age) that 'sorted them out' for
> > > > > you.  The pond, itself, I think is life.  Your wife coaxed out your
> > > > > memory (the elephant) and you admit, later, that you wish that the two
> > > > > had met.  That almost speaks for itself.  And, you're not afraid of
> > > > > the 'little wisdoms' (the alligators) of life (the pond).  The smell
> > > > > of bread, I think, is a 'satisfaction from life' that you HAD when
> > > > > your parents were around that, in the meantime, has, perhaps, waned.
> > > > > To be honest, how many of your recent posts were all about how
> > > > > satisfied you are with life?
> > > > >      In a nutshell, I think the dream was symbolically saying no more
> > > > > than:
> > > > >  1) that you wished you had the wisdom you feel your father had (or
> > > > > the wisdom with which you credit HIM but not yourself) and that you
> > > > > wished that Sue had known them.
> > > > >       and
> > > > >  2) that if you DID have that wisdom, you'd be able to act in such a
> > > > > way that you (and others) would be impressed by the pond (of life).
> > > > >      and
> > > > >  3) that you lack a satisfaction in life (the smell of baking bread)
> > > > > that you feel you've somehow lost since your parents have passed.
>
> > > > >      Did Sue mention something the previous day that reminded you of
> > > > > how much you wanted them to have met?  As THAT would explain her
> > > > > coaxing the elephant (the memory of your your father) out of the pond
> > > > > (doubling, in this respect, as your own subconscience as well as
> > > > > representing life in general).  Sound reasonable??
>
> > > > > > Mum and Dad died long ago.  I've often wished they had met Sue.  
> > > > > > Life
> > > > > > is a bit uncertain at the moment, though a great pain has been 
> > > > > > lifted
> > > > > > from our lives, if not quite gone.  It's new start time, though we 
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > both just escaping exhaustion after illness and stress.  I'm happier
> > > > > > than for a long time, though not quite kicking on.
>
> > > > > > Whatever the interpretation of this dream (feel free), there is
> > > > > > another kind of dreaming, let alone what a bit of opium might do.
> > > > > > This is much more directly concerned with thinking, trying to get a
> > > > > > new handle on problems and what life could be.  This form of 
> > > > > > dreaming
> > > > > > is often despised as 'idealism' or 'Utopian'.  You can see a form of
> > > > > > it in the 'real dream' above - at least in the desire for family,
> > > > > > somewhere decent to live (though the Aga in the kitchen and smell of
> > > > > > bread is distinctly not 'green').  We are short of a universal dream
> > > > > > of the way we would have the world.  I have tired of one tracking 
> > > > > > down
> > > > > > crooks and violent solutions (television and films).  Even 
> > > > > > destroying
> > > > > > the Australians at cricket (though I just have in a video game)
> > > > > > palls.  What, in this sense is in our Mind's Eye?  How would we have
> > > > > > the world?- Hide quoted text -
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