I'm a huge Louis L'Amour fan Rigs. Read all his books some of them twice and others even more often when I was a young kid. Zane Gray as well.
It comes down to a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do. I'd forget about the piece of paper and concentrate on the skills I need to do the job of my choice. A good Dale Carnegie course can net more rewards then a masters degree. People skills. Gift of gab. Bullshit artist. It makes everything else easier. dj On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 5:50 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > As an example, I suggest Louis L'Amour who left school after 10th > grade. See "Education of a Wandering Man" by Louis L'Amour or > http://www.louislamour.com/aboutlouis/biography5.htl There must have > been a really cranky 10th grade teacher in Jamestown, North Dakota! > > On Oct 25, 8:56 am, [email protected] wrote: >> Yes - they don't. However need is relative. If you want to insist on an all >> or nothing position then you will love the next quote: "Never let going to >> school interfere with getting a good education." >> However for some who take it seriously it probably has been helpful - even >> for some of the police and fireman you generalize about. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rigsy03 <[email protected]> >> To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2009 6:32 am >> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Future >> >> The military,police and firemen that put their lives on the line don't >> need a college education, do they? >> >> On Oct 25, 12:02 am, [email protected] wrote: >> > Persisting in getting my Ph.D in vocational guidance (a step towards >> becoming a licensed psychoanalyst - was undoubtedly one of the most rewarding >> experiences of my life. The course work was a snap --- the dissertation was >> not. >> >> > It was mainly the struggle with struggle - that I found so rewarding... >> Dealing with the inevitable frustrations, glitches, having to negotiate >> through >> psychological mine fields with my neurotic committee members forcing myself >> to >> get my hands dirty with the 'politics of experience' - persist through >> constant >> stress, experience and master fear of failure, and fear of success - learn >> how >> to be relatively objective in my research - preparing me to be able to >> undertake,complete and be thrilled decades later awaiting the publication of >> my >> first book due out in two months.... I could go on and on ... but I will >> not... >> I simply want to state that the effort in struggling with struggle to do >> justice >> to a most lofty goal was worth every minute. >> >> > There are countless ABDs (all but the dissertation) that have lawyer like >> rationalizations for why such an undertaking is outmoded, unnecessary, a >> waste >> of time, impractical, and the likes.... I truly understand their points of >> view... But having persisted all their arguments are like so much hot air - >> warm >> for a moment but ultimately insubstantial. >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: ornamentalmind <[email protected]> >> > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2009 12:29 am >> > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Future >> >> > “So, I have a question for the elders of the board. I have a friend >> > who is in a great job, great relationship, and generally great life. >> > He's curious if he should go back to school to get a degree. Being >> > someone who never accomplished a degree, I don't have any relevant >> > advice. Care to offer any?” – CJ >> >> > Chris, this of course is a very personal and situational issue. Having >> > acknowledged that fact, I will report that many friends of mine who >> > have completed their thesis and received at least a PhD say they would >> > never do it again even though most are ‘using’ their training. >> >> > Also, the majority of those I know who have quit jobs, gained higher/ >> > further education say that when they return to try entering the >> > workforce again, two situations exist: 1) They have great difficulty >> > just getting a job let alone one as ‘good’ as the one they earlier >> > quit and 2) They say that their new degree didn’t help at all in >> > getting a new job, in fact, many say it actually hurt! Strange, I >> > know. >> >> > Things may have been different a decade or more ago; I am talking >> > about the last few years here. >> >> > On a personal note, I returned to gain more training in many different >> > areas over my lifetime and, as I’ve said too many times, have attended >> > 12 universities. In most cases the impulse was for personal growth and/ >> > or gaining new information rather than credentials. Programming is one >> > example, accounting another. The former gave me the skills to be able >> > to consult in Florida, NYC, California and Oregon. In other words, I >> > was able to help put supper on the table from the experiences. Of >> > course, I have done that playing billiards too! >> >> > The latter, accounting, gave me the chops to become a CFO and acquire >> > recent employment in positions I enjoy and can live on. I won’t go >> > into nontraditional education and stuff from decades ago because I’m >> > sure it isn’t relevant to this discussion. >> >> > So, for me, I am happy to have added new skills to my bag of tricks, >> > however, in these last two examples, I was working full time while >> > attending night school. Not everyone is cut out for this path. >> >> > Hope it helps. In the end, your friend will have to just jump off of >> > the cliff and make a guess…that is unless he is omniscient! >> >> > On Oct 24, 6:07 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > So, I have a question for the elders of the board. I have a friend who >> > > is in >> a >> > great job, great relationship, and generally great life. He's curious if he >> > should go back to school to get a degree. Being someone who never >> > accomplished >> a >> > degree, I don't have any relevant advice. Care to offer any? >> >> > > [ Attached Message ]From:archytas <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds >> > > Eye\"" >> > <[email protected]>Date:Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:44:29 -0700 >> > (PDT)Local:Thurs, Oct 1 2009 3:44 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: Reviving >> Democracy >> >> > > Indeed Orn - there is definitely a baby in this bathwater. I would >> > > hope never again to experience the 'Zil Chill' of the former Soviet >> > > states or the grim feelings I've had elsewhere away from these shores, >> > > though we need to understand we cause many of these problems by >> > > failing to achieve more democracy. I'm an old union man, but don't >> > > want to see a return of the old unions - however, a new form of >> > > insured representation for all is possible. If 'democracy' could >> > > produce Hitler we need to know why and how - even Mugabe was once >> > > voted in for real. >> >> > > On 1 Oct, 17:41, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > As critical as I am of the ‘democracy’ that I know, mostly with the >> > > > intention of retaining and/or improving it, I am quite thankful that >> > > > this lifetime was not spent in Cambodia or other such countries. The >> > > > current experiment is preferable when a comparison to what is is >> > > > conducted. And, when compared to the codified words “…in order to form >> > > > a more perfect union…”, the ongoing process is seen and must be >> > > > recognized. I do. >> >> > > > On Oct 1, 9:26 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > We like to think of the UK Parliament as the 'mother of parliaments'. >> > > > > We are much the same in sport - always resting on our history of >> > > > > inventing the games others now beat us at! Most civilised countries >> > > > > seem more democratic than Britain, but I only ever visit or live in >> > > > > them as an alien. In France, in the late 70's I discovered my >> > > > > illusions were just that as police and troops laid waste to a shanty >> > > > > town with bulldozers and I found out how casual labour was treated (I >> > > > > was undercover on a drugs bust). The US has always seemed so much >> > > > > more democratic with all kinds of elections we don't have - yet it >> > > > > generally is not. >> > > > > I actually find a lot not to like about democracy - the Athenian one >> > > > > had a privileged Demos and practised ethnic cleansing of an economic >> > > > > kind we see in Domesday Books all over the world - and there are >> > > > > obvious problems such as asking the uninformed to make decisions. >> > > > > This latter is a key problem as it lets in charisma and all the old >> > > > > techniques of persuasion because we can always rely on the majority >> > > > > not to be able to follow the argument. The Germans were probably the >> > > > > best educated, most scientific, most cultured people on the planet >> > > > > when they voted for Hitler and the Nazis. Hitler may have seized >> > > > > power illegitimately, but Germans voted for him in droves in >> > > > > elections >> > > > > around the country. Other countries had their own Nazis in >> > > > > considerable numbers. We will vote for any dross - this should make >> > > > > us rethink democracy. >> >> > > > > On 1 Oct, 17:00, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > Sadly, I couldn’t get tickets to hear Noam here in Portland this >> > > > > > week. >> >> > > > > > And, I have found that he gets much of what you say we should fear >> > > > > > right Neil. He just isn’t quite as charismatic in his brand of >> > > > > > ‘evangelism’ as some though. >> >> > > > > > I fear we in the Colonies are at the cusp of yet another Civil War… >> > > > > > only not so ‘Civil’. The ‘best’ political action my disillusioned >> > > > > > brain can imagine at this time, other than a true ‘new’ tea party, >> > > > > > is >> > > > > > to fulfill the ancient cry of ‘Throw the bums out!’. I was >> > > > > > skeptical >> > > > > > about the actuality of the BO regime from the start and now that >> > > > > > the >> > > > > > ‘party in power’ has vetoed health care for we the people and has >> > > > > > reinvested in the demonstrated failed practice of sexual >> > > > > > abstinence as >> > > > > > well as a continued hegemony, it really is time for change. >> > > > > > Eisenhower >> > > > > > was much wiser. >> >> > > > > > As a sort of Paul Revere of the day, I call upon ‘we the people’ to >> > > > > > see that every political person in power is replaced...with 3rd >> > > > > > party >> > > > > > individuals if possible. There is no other way to gain political >> > > > > > attention today. This even though I fully embrace Noam’s notion of >> > > > > > Anarchy: >> >> > > > > > “…Anarchism, in my view, is an expression of the idea that the >> > > > > > burden >> > > > > > of proof is always on those who argue that authority and domination >> > > > > > are necessary. They have to demonstrate, with powerful argument, >> > > > > > that >> > > > > > that conclusion is correct. If they cannot, then the institutions >> > > > > > they >> > > > > > defend should be considered illegitimate. How one should react to >> >> ... >> >> read more »- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
