“… I'd forget about the piece of paper and concentrate on the skills I need to do the job of my choice. A good Dale Carnegie course can net more rewards then a masters degree. People skills. Gift of gab. Bullshit artist. It makes everything else easier. …” – DJ
Harvard produced the most billionaires. Note who was in 2nd place. (at about 2 minutes into the video) http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/252748/october-27-2009/colbert-platinum---harvard-billionaires---red-diamond-suv On Oct 30, 4:03 pm, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm a huge Louis L'Amour fan Rigs. Read all his books some of them > twice and others even more often when I was a young kid. Zane Gray as > well. > > It comes down to a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do. I'd forget > about the piece of paper and concentrate on the skills I need to do > the job of my choice. A good Dale Carnegie course can net more > rewards then a masters degree. People skills. Gift of gab. Bullshit > artist. It makes everything else easier. > > dj > > > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 5:50 AM, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > As an example, I suggest Louis L'Amour who left school after 10th > > grade. See "Education of a Wandering Man" by Louis L'Amour or > >http://www.louislamour.com/aboutlouis/biography5.htl There must have > > been a really cranky 10th grade teacher in Jamestown, North Dakota! > > > On Oct 25, 8:56 am, [email protected] wrote: > >> Yes - they don't. However need is relative. If you want to insist on an > >> all or nothing position then you will love the next quote: "Never let > >> going to school interfere with getting a good education." > >> However for some who take it seriously it probably has been helpful - even > >> for some of the police and fireman you generalize about. > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: rigsy03 <[email protected]> > >> To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2009 6:32 am > >> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Future > > >> The military,police and firemen that put their lives on the line don't > >> need a college education, do they? > > >> On Oct 25, 12:02 am, [email protected] wrote: > >> > Persisting in getting my Ph.D in vocational guidance (a step towards > >> becoming a licensed psychoanalyst - was undoubtedly one of the most > >> rewarding > >> experiences of my life. The course work was a snap --- the dissertation > >> was not. > > >> > It was mainly the struggle with struggle - that I found so rewarding... > >> Dealing with the inevitable frustrations, glitches, having to negotiate > >> through > >> psychological mine fields with my neurotic committee members forcing > >> myself to > >> get my hands dirty with the 'politics of experience' - persist through > >> constant > >> stress, experience and master fear of failure, and fear of success - learn > >> how > >> to be relatively objective in my research - preparing me to be able to > >> undertake,complete and be thrilled decades later awaiting the publication > >> of my > >> first book due out in two months.... I could go on and on ... but I will > >> not... > >> I simply want to state that the effort in struggling with struggle to do > >> justice > >> to a most lofty goal was worth every minute. > > >> > There are countless ABDs (all but the dissertation) that have lawyer like > >> rationalizations for why such an undertaking is outmoded, unnecessary, a > >> waste > >> of time, impractical, and the likes.... I truly understand their points of > >> view... But having persisted all their arguments are like so much hot air > >> - warm > >> for a moment but ultimately insubstantial. > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > >> > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > >> > Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2009 12:29 am > >> > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Future > > >> > “So, I have a question for the elders of the board. I have a friend > >> > who is in a great job, great relationship, and generally great life. > >> > He's curious if he should go back to school to get a degree. Being > >> > someone who never accomplished a degree, I don't have any relevant > >> > advice. Care to offer any?” – CJ > > >> > Chris, this of course is a very personal and situational issue. Having > >> > acknowledged that fact, I will report that many friends of mine who > >> > have completed their thesis and received at least a PhD say they would > >> > never do it again even though most are ‘using’ their training. > > >> > Also, the majority of those I know who have quit jobs, gained higher/ > >> > further education say that when they return to try entering the > >> > workforce again, two situations exist: 1) They have great difficulty > >> > just getting a job let alone one as ‘good’ as the one they earlier > >> > quit and 2) They say that their new degree didn’t help at all in > >> > getting a new job, in fact, many say it actually hurt! Strange, I > >> > know. > > >> > Things may have been different a decade or more ago; I am talking > >> > about the last few years here. > > >> > On a personal note, I returned to gain more training in many different > >> > areas over my lifetime and, as I’ve said too many times, have attended > >> > 12 universities. In most cases the impulse was for personal growth and/ > >> > or gaining new information rather than credentials. Programming is one > >> > example, accounting another. The former gave me the skills to be able > >> > to consult in Florida, NYC, California and Oregon. In other words, I > >> > was able to help put supper on the table from the experiences. Of > >> > course, I have done that playing billiards too! > > >> > The latter, accounting, gave me the chops to become a CFO and acquire > >> > recent employment in positions I enjoy and can live on. I won’t go > >> > into nontraditional education and stuff from decades ago because I’m > >> > sure it isn’t relevant to this discussion. > > >> > So, for me, I am happy to have added new skills to my bag of tricks, > >> > however, in these last two examples, I was working full time while > >> > attending night school. Not everyone is cut out for this path. > > >> > Hope it helps. In the end, your friend will have to just jump off of > >> > the cliff and make a guess…that is unless he is omniscient! > > >> > On Oct 24, 6:07 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > So, I have a question for the elders of the board. I have a friend who > >> > > is in > >> a > >> > great job, great relationship, and generally great life. He's curious if > >> > he > >> > should go back to school to get a degree. Being someone who never > >> > accomplished > >> a > >> > degree, I don't have any relevant advice. Care to offer any? > > >> > > [ Attached Message ]From:archytas <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds > >> > > Eye\"" > >> > <[email protected]>Date:Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:44:29 -0700 > >> > (PDT)Local:Thurs, Oct 1 2009 3:44 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: Reviving > >> Democracy > > >> > > Indeed Orn - there is definitely a baby in this bathwater. I would > >> > > hope never again to experience the 'Zil Chill' of the former Soviet > >> > > states or the grim feelings I've had elsewhere away from these shores, > >> > > though we need to understand we cause many of these problems by > >> > > failing to achieve more democracy. I'm an old union man, but don't > >> > > want to see a return of the old unions - however, a new form of > >> > > insured representation for all is possible. If 'democracy' could > >> > > produce Hitler we need to know why and how - even Mugabe was once > >> > > voted in for real. > > >> > > On 1 Oct, 17:41, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > As critical as I am of the ‘democracy’ that I know, mostly with the > >> > > > intention of retaining and/or improving it, I am quite thankful that > >> > > > this lifetime was not spent in Cambodia or other such countries. The > >> > > > current experiment is preferable when a comparison to what is is > >> > > > conducted. And, when compared to the codified words “…in order to > >> > > > form > >> > > > a more perfect union…”, the ongoing process is seen and must be > >> > > > recognized. I do. > > >> > > > On Oct 1, 9:26 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > We like to think of the UK Parliament as the 'mother of > >> > > > > parliaments'. > >> > > > > We are much the same in sport - always resting on our history of > >> > > > > inventing the games others now beat us at! Most civilised > >> > > > > countries > >> > > > > seem more democratic than Britain, but I only ever visit or live in > >> > > > > them as an alien. In France, in the late 70's I discovered my > >> > > > > illusions were just that as police and troops laid waste to a > >> > > > > shanty > >> > > > > town with bulldozers and I found out how casual labour was treated > >> > > > > (I > >> > > > > was undercover on a drugs bust). The US has always seemed so much > >> > > > > more democratic with all kinds of elections we don't have - yet it > >> > > > > generally is not. > >> > > > > I actually find a lot not to like about democracy - the Athenian > >> > > > > one > >> > > > > had a privileged Demos and practised ethnic cleansing of an > >> > > > > economic > >> > > > > kind we see in Domesday Books all over the world - and there are > >> > > > > obvious problems such as asking the uninformed to make decisions. > >> > > > > This latter is a key problem as it lets in charisma and all the old > >> > > > > techniques of persuasion because we can always rely on the majority > >> > > > > not to be able to follow the argument. The Germans were probably > >> > > > > the > >> > > > > best educated, most scientific, most cultured people on the planet > >> > > > > when they voted for Hitler and the Nazis. Hitler may have seized > >> > > > > power illegitimately, but Germans voted for him in droves in > >> > > > > elections > >> > > > > around the country. Other countries had their own Nazis in > >> > > > > considerable numbers. We will vote for any dross - this should > >> > > > > make > >> > > > > us rethink democracy. > > >> > > > > On 1 Oct, 17:00, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > Sadly, I couldn’t get tickets to hear Noam here in Portland this > >> > > > > > week. > > >> > > > > > And, I have found that he gets much of what you say we should > >> > > > > > fear > >> > > > > > right Neil. He just isn’t quite as charismatic in his brand of > >> > > > > > ‘evangelism’ as some though. > > >> > > > > > I fear we in the Colonies are at the cusp of yet another Civil > >> > > > > > War… > >> > > > > > only not so ‘Civil’. 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