actually, to be considered for promotion to officers rank, in many cases, US service people do need degrees. This is true in all three branches of the service you site, rigs.
On Oct 25, 6:32 am, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: > The military,police and firemen that put their lives on the line don't > need a college education, do they? > > On Oct 25, 12:02 am, [email protected] wrote: > > > Persisting in getting my Ph.D in vocational guidance (a step towards > > becoming a licensed psychoanalyst - was undoubtedly one of the most > > rewarding experiences of my life. The course work was a snap --- the > > dissertation was not. > > > It was mainly the struggle with struggle - that I found so rewarding... > > Dealing with the inevitable frustrations, glitches, having to negotiate > > through psychological mine fields with my neurotic committee members > > forcing myself to get my hands dirty with the 'politics of experience' - > > persist through constant stress, experience and master fear of failure, and > > fear of success - learn how to be relatively objective in my research - > > preparing me to be able to undertake,complete and be thrilled decades later > > awaiting the publication of my first book due out in two months.... I could > > go on and on ... but I will not... I simply want to state that the effort > > in struggling with struggle to do justice to a most lofty goal was worth > > every minute. > > > There are countless ABDs (all but the dissertation) that have lawyer like > > rationalizations for why such an undertaking is outmoded, unnecessary, a > > waste of time, impractical, and the likes.... I truly understand their > > points of view... But having persisted all their arguments are like so much > > hot air - warm for a moment but ultimately insubstantial. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2009 12:29 am > > Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Future > > > “So, I have a question for the elders of the board. I have a friend > > who is in a great job, great relationship, and generally great life. > > He's curious if he should go back to school to get a degree. Being > > someone who never accomplished a degree, I don't have any relevant > > advice. Care to offer any?” – CJ > > > Chris, this of course is a very personal and situational issue. Having > > acknowledged that fact, I will report that many friends of mine who > > have completed their thesis and received at least a PhD say they would > > never do it again even though most are ‘using’ their training. > > > Also, the majority of those I know who have quit jobs, gained higher/ > > further education say that when they return to try entering the > > workforce again, two situations exist: 1) They have great difficulty > > just getting a job let alone one as ‘good’ as the one they earlier > > quit and 2) They say that their new degree didn’t help at all in > > getting a new job, in fact, many say it actually hurt! Strange, I > > know. > > > Things may have been different a decade or more ago; I am talking > > about the last few years here. > > > On a personal note, I returned to gain more training in many different > > areas over my lifetime and, as I’ve said too many times, have attended > > 12 universities. In most cases the impulse was for personal growth and/ > > or gaining new information rather than credentials. Programming is one > > example, accounting another. The former gave me the skills to be able > > to consult in Florida, NYC, California and Oregon. In other words, I > > was able to help put supper on the table from the experiences. Of > > course, I have done that playing billiards too! > > > The latter, accounting, gave me the chops to become a CFO and acquire > > recent employment in positions I enjoy and can live on. I won’t go > > into nontraditional education and stuff from decades ago because I’m > > sure it isn’t relevant to this discussion. > > > So, for me, I am happy to have added new skills to my bag of tricks, > > however, in these last two examples, I was working full time while > > attending night school. Not everyone is cut out for this path. > > > Hope it helps. In the end, your friend will have to just jump off of > > the cliff and make a guess…that is unless he is omniscient! > > > On Oct 24, 6:07 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > > So, I have a question for the elders of the board. I have a friend who is > > > in a > > great job, great relationship, and generally great life. He's curious if he > > should go back to school to get a degree. Being someone who never > > accomplished a > > degree, I don't have any relevant advice. Care to offer any? > > > > [ Attached Message ]From:archytas <[email protected]>To:"\"Minds > > > Eye\"" > > <[email protected]>Date:Thu, 1 Oct 2009 15:44:29 -0700 > > (PDT)Local:Thurs, Oct 1 2009 3:44 pmSubject:[Mind's Eye] Re: Reviving > > Democracy > > > > Indeed Orn - there is definitely a baby in this bathwater. I would > > > hope never again to experience the 'Zil Chill' of the former Soviet > > > states or the grim feelings I've had elsewhere away from these shores, > > > though we need to understand we cause many of these problems by > > > failing to achieve more democracy. I'm an old union man, but don't > > > want to see a return of the old unions - however, a new form of > > > insured representation for all is possible. If 'democracy' could > > > produce Hitler we need to know why and how - even Mugabe was once > > > voted in for real. > > > > On 1 Oct, 17:41, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > As critical as I am of the ‘democracy’ that I know, mostly with the > > > > intention of retaining and/or improving it, I am quite thankful that > > > > this lifetime was not spent in Cambodia or other such countries. The > > > > current experiment is preferable when a comparison to what is is > > > > conducted. And, when compared to the codified words “…in order to form > > > > a more perfect union…”, the ongoing process is seen and must be > > > > recognized. I do. > > > > > On Oct 1, 9:26 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > We like to think of the UK Parliament as the 'mother of parliaments'. > > > > > We are much the same in sport - always resting on our history of > > > > > inventing the games others now beat us at! Most civilised countries > > > > > seem more democratic than Britain, but I only ever visit or live in > > > > > them as an alien. In France, in the late 70's I discovered my > > > > > illusions were just that as police and troops laid waste to a shanty > > > > > town with bulldozers and I found out how casual labour was treated (I > > > > > was undercover on a drugs bust). The US has always seemed so much > > > > > more democratic with all kinds of elections we don't have - yet it > > > > > generally is not. > > > > > I actually find a lot not to like about democracy - the Athenian one > > > > > had a privileged Demos and practised ethnic cleansing of an economic > > > > > kind we see in Domesday Books all over the world - and there are > > > > > obvious problems such as asking the uninformed to make decisions. > > > > > This latter is a key problem as it lets in charisma and all the old > > > > > techniques of persuasion because we can always rely on the majority > > > > > not to be able to follow the argument. The Germans were probably the > > > > > best educated, most scientific, most cultured people on the planet > > > > > when they voted for Hitler and the Nazis. Hitler may have seized > > > > > power illegitimately, but Germans voted for him in droves in elections > > > > > around the country. Other countries had their own Nazis in > > > > > considerable numbers. We will vote for any dross - this should make > > > > > us rethink democracy. > > > > > > On 1 Oct, 17:00, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Sadly, I couldn’t get tickets to hear Noam here in Portland this > > > > > > week. > > > > > > > And, I have found that he gets much of what you say we should fear > > > > > > right Neil. He just isn’t quite as charismatic in his brand of > > > > > > ‘evangelism’ as some though. > > > > > > > I fear we in the Colonies are at the cusp of yet another Civil War… > > > > > > only not so ‘Civil’. The ‘best’ political action my disillusioned > > > > > > brain can imagine at this time, other than a true ‘new’ tea party, > > > > > > is > > > > > > to fulfill the ancient cry of ‘Throw the bums out!’. I was skeptical > > > > > > about the actuality of the BO regime from the start and now that the > > > > > > ‘party in power’ has vetoed health care for we the people and has > > > > > > reinvested in the demonstrated failed practice of sexual abstinence > > > > > > as > > > > > > well as a continued hegemony, it really is time for change. > > > > > > Eisenhower > > > > > > was much wiser. > > > > > > > As a sort of Paul Revere of the day, I call upon ‘we the people’ to > > > > > > see that every political person in power is replaced...with 3rd > > > > > > party > > > > > > individuals if possible. There is no other way to gain political > > > > > > attention today. This even though I fully embrace Noam’s notion of > > > > > > Anarchy: > > > > > > > “…Anarchism, in my view, is an expression of the idea that the > > > > > > burden > > > > > > of proof is always on those who argue that authority and domination > > > > > > are necessary. They have to demonstrate, with powerful argument, > > > > > > that > > > > > > that conclusion is correct. If they cannot, then the institutions > > > > > > they > > > > > > defend should be considered illegitimate. How one should react to > > > > > > illegitimate authority depends on circumstances and conditions: > > > > > > there > > > > > > are no formulas. …” – Chomsky > > > > > > > (more at:http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/19961223.htm) > > > > > > > On Oct 1, 7:24 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Chomsky has been right for many years. The academy in which he > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > others flourished is long gone - we are all, at our relative > > > > > > > levels of > > > > > > > ability in the margins as resistance fighters. I would put the > > > > > > > argument personally given limited space. 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