Ok a little to much...Hello....Hello...anybody out there...Stimulation for 2012
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 11:08 AM, dj Briscoe <[email protected]>wrote: > I have a question---where on this earth and the mind's of man where there > is a daily of discerment of right choice's and wrong choice and tell me when > you get up daily where is there a place where there is no harm --that you > pick up the paper and you watch TV that there is not bad that is not heard > or seen...a man can make right choice and keep his walls around for the > protection of uncleanness...and therefore does this keep him safe and his > family as he goes out daily into a world of things that surrounds him...Name > a reglion or a group or a culture that does not have in a term evil does not > have this...and it is like a chess game and discussion making of what is > good for his family--such has well the public schools have to much > influncences -such as it could be drugs it could be sex or it could be in > the teaching...so you can home school--you can put them in a private > school..you can teach them well at home (and teach them well) and some have > the oppurnitity's to be born in a family that are well educated and plenty > of moeny...and it makes it easier...there were many poor people became > learder's of nation's and contributed to causes of good...value's--morals-A > man can do everything right for himself and family..follow every rule and > authority that is set before him and be very honest at heart--care for his > country---pay his taxes--make sure whatever he does is in perfection---and > in the end--from poor health---and not able to do these things--in > perfection--and so his good standard's is comprised for him and his Family > but yet he hangs in there with his morals his intergity to the end...in rags > he was in the end--and helped to be a back bone of a nation...and then the > ones that he believed in and was faithful to was not faithful to him or his > Family ..and had no mercy...is this evil or is it something else?...The good > morals--good value's--good standard's---Not just one Man this was done to > --but many--so which ones had the better morals-good value's--good > standard's...the ones that took the taxes and spent it..and live high off > the hog...and the working man with callaus on his hands and knee's...and the > people was treated as dog's under such a corrupt nation's ...that any nation > the ones that are in authority is and should be servants to the people of > these nation's...You can say there is not evil ...but true evil is where the > hearts are callous and have no mercy and are takers...greed is it not > evil...or is it just greed and is not put in a light or dark ---but put in > the area of good and bad...so which is the worse...of images of such a good > light or images that seem to be bad values --bad morals--bad > standards...there is a dark of this earth that is a disgustiing > level...which I will not mention in my opinion...but there is people that > have good value's--good standard's---good moral's--that have been pushed to > a level or no return... > > > On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 5:03 AM, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > >> That is somthing that I hear quite offten, and whilst I certianly do >> understand the sentiments, the reasoning sorta throws me. >> >> I cannot belive in a God that allows evil. >> >> So you can belive in a God that denies free will? Yet the denying of >> free will itself, can that not be seen as an evil act by God? >> >> I don't know it tends to go around and around for me, what I can say >> for sure though, is belive in whatever God you want, or belive in none >> at all, that is your choice and I would not wish to convince you one >> way of the other. >> >> On 23 Nov, 12:21, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I cannot believe in a God that allows evil so I guess I am in league >> > with Dante's view- that there is indeed a Hell and a Heaven and they >> > may well exist on earth in the consequences of our actions. This would >> > explain many of the human problems that plague society. I know I have >> > seen these outcomes though they may take years to emerge- and they >> > present an elegant logic, all their own.// Church/religious law and >> > Divine Laws may not always jibe because the former are instituted and >> > run by men who have limited or faulty vision. Nevertheless, there are >> > moral laws beyond the reach of mere mortals. I am not saying that >> > humans reach perfection- even Mother Teresa had doubts- as we have >> > doubts and must struggle and wrestle with our souls. >> > >> > On Nov 23, 4:51 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > > Heh I remember a few years back when I mentioned this very thing, you >> > > know the immenance of God pervading throughtout the creation, and our >> > > young and then much more fiesty Ian, asked, does that include evil, >> > > and shit and murder? >> > >> > > I answerered well yes how could it not? >> > >> > > Heresy, well isn't that when a relgious establishment says, no what >> > > you say does not agree with the accepted doctrine of our particular >> > > faith! >> > >> > > So all-in-all a rather meaningless term. >> > >> > > On 23 Nov, 04:36, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > Then God would also be evil. I believe that is a heresy. >> > >> > > > On Nov 22, 3:24 am, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > I think it starts with the realization the God is the entirety of >> > > > > everything. People spend years meditating trying to accomplish >> this simple >> > > > > concept. >> > >> > > > > Marco you are beginning to sound like a hindu compartalmentlizing >> all the >> > > > > aspect of God so they can understand Brahman >> > > > > Allan >> > >> > > > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > Indeed, but the trick is in seeing this huh. >> > >> > > > > > On 18 Nov, 11:35, iam deheretic <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > > > LOL but Lee God is in everything! >> > > > > > > Allan >> > >> > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Lee <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > > > > > > Heh I of course realise that as my particular faith >> emphasises seeing >> > > > > > > > God in everything. >> > >> > > > > > > > On 17 Nov, 17:28, Pat <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > > > > > > > On 17 Nov, 16:39, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Hah My dear Rigsy I swear to your right now that it is >> complelty >> > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > > other way around for me. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > My wife has made a honest man out of me, she veritably >> saved me >> > > > > > from >> > > > > > > > > > myself, and for that I owe her everything. >> > >> > > > > > > > > Your debt is to God alone, as He worked THROUGH your wife >> to do those >> > > > > > > > > things. It's OK, though, if you thank your wife, as God >> gets all >> > > > > > > > > thanks through us as well, even if we don't realise it. >> ;-) >> > >> > > > > > > > > > On 17 Nov, 16:04, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > In a way, you do- by making an honest woman out of a >> bedmate and >> > > > > > all >> > > > > > > > > > > the stuff you will need to provide plus kids, etc. But >> the woman >> > > > > > must >> > > > > > > > > > > be calculating to begin with. Somehow, I missed that >> class but >> > > > > > find >> > > > > > > > > > > the whole thing pretty amusing at this point in life. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 9:57 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Haha my dad tells me that we men always pay for sex. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Now now that's my dad not me you understand? >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > On 17 Nov, 15:41, rigsy03 <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think all women should be paid for sex? >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 8:43 am, archytas < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you lose a few slates from your roof while >> you had >> > > > > > turned >> > > > > > > > into a >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > motel Slip? >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, it's immoral to argue from holy text in >> any kind of >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fundamentalist manner. We could argue we have >> been trapped >> > > > > > in >> > > > > > > > this >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind of mistaken argument and need to break out >> of it. >> > > > > > Science >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably does and at least allows things to be >> put to the >> > > > > > test. >> > > > > > > > Like >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Slip I have something of a penchant for being >> ministered to >> > > > > > by >> > > > > > > > women, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > though as yet have not experienced being as a >> motel yet. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 17 Nov, 12:42, Pat < >> [email protected]> >> > > > > > wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 16 Nov, 17:03, Slip Disc <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesus said 'Our >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Father...', not 'My Father...' Pat >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes in some context such as: >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mat 5:16 In the same way, let your light >> shine before >> > > > > > men, >> > > > > > > > that they >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > may see your good deeds and praise your >> FATHER in >> > > > > > heaven. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mat 6:9 "This, then, is how you should >> pray: "'Our >> > > > > > FATHER >> > > > > > > > in heaven, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hallowed be your name, >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But then again: >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, >> 'Lord, Lord,' >> > > > > > will >> > > > > > > > enter the >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the >> will of my >> > > > > > > > FATHER who is >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in heaven. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mat 10:32 "Whoever acknowledges me before >> men, I will >> > > > > > also >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > acknowledge him before my FATHER in heaven. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mat 10:33 But whoever disowns me before >> men, I will >> > > > > > disown >> > > > > > > > him before >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > my FATHER in heaven. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Working on the Sabbath: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John 5:17 Jesus said to them, "My FATHER is >> always at >> > > > > > his >> > > > > > > > work to >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this very day, and I, too, am working." >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John 8:53 Are you greater than our father >> Abraham? He >> > > > > > > > died, and so >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > did the prophets. Who do you think you are?" >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John 8:54 Jesus replied, "If I glorify >> myself, my >> > > > > > glory >> > > > > > > > means >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing. My FATHER, WHOM YOU CLAIM AS YOUR >> GOD, is the >> > > > > > one >> > > > > > > > who >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > glorifies me. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are more but remember when Mary and >> Joseph found >> > > > > > > > Jesus in the >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > temple, Mary asked "Son, why have you >> treated us like >> > > > > > this? >> > > > > > > > Your >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > father and I have been anxiously searching >> for you." >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesus replied, Luke 2 49 >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Why were you searching for me?" he asked. >> "Didn't you >> > > > > > > > know I had to >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be in my Father's house?" >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And of course the Garden of Gethsemane: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "O my Father, if it be possible, let this >> cup pass from >> > > > > > me: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou >> wilt." >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting. But I note there were no >> quotes used >> > > > > > from >> > > > > > > > The Gospel >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of Mark, which is the oldest and, therefore, >> probably(!) >> > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > most >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reliable for quotes of Jesus. Are there any >> quotes in >> > > > > > Mark >> > > > > > > > where >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesus uses 'my Father', as Matthew was based >> on Mark? If >> > > > > > > > not, then we >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > know those "my Father"s in Matthew were added >> and any >> > > > > > Gospel >> > > > > > > > after >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that (Luke and John), quite likely, >> would/could have >> > > > > > added >> > > > > > > > even more. >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Luke was written by Paul's close friend and >> would >> > > > > > naturally >> > > > > > > > reflect >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paul's 'spin' on Jesus. The most surprising >> is Matthew. >> > > > > > The >> > > > > > > > 7:21 >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quote at least acknowledges that it is the >> Will of God >> > > > > > that >> > > > > > > > matters >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and not whether or not one calls Jesus 'Lord'. >> The >> > > > > > 10:32-33 >> > > > > > > > quote, >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > though, seems a bit out of kilter with the >> 7:21 quote, as >> > > > > > it >> > > > > > > > implies >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that, if an individual acknowledges Jesus (in >> what way? >> > > > > > As >> > > > > > > > 'Lord' or >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Son of God'?), Jesus will then acknowledge >> (again, in >> > > > > > what >> > > > > > > > way?) that >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > individual to God, but, because of the 7:21 >> line, that >> > > > > > may >> > > > > > > > not >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actually help an individual in any way. So >> what's the >> > > > > > point >> > > > > > > > of the >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > acknowledgement? Or was it just a simple way >> of subtly >> > > > > > > > injecting >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pauline theology? >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then there is the ongoing controversy >> concerning the >> > > > > > > > "Trinity". >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've never come across any scripture that >> indicated any >> > > > > > > > "Mother in >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Heaven" therefore excluding any feminine >> aspect of >> > > > > > God. >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No right-minded Jew would envisage a trinity, >> as God is >> > > > > > One >> > > > > > > > in >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Judaism. 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