Can Truth ever be Absolute? Probably not. Fact becomes the metaphor of
poets, science replaces itself, each mind has a different point of
view.

On Dec 3, 5:33 pm, rigsy03 <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jane Austen- that mistress of happy endings: "Seldom, very seldom,
> does complete truth belong to any human disclosure; seldom can it
> happen that something is not a little disguised, or a little
> mistaken."
>
> On Dec 3, 2:36 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I used to run 'assessment centres' some years back - the only purpose
> > (other than me getting paid) I noticed was to prove over and over that
> > senior managers were generally fuckwits.  IQs often not in to top 30%
> > and critical reasoning scores well below that.  The accountants were
> > above this and the bwankers below.  I wouldn't mind running them again
> > for our politicians - I can only suppose I'd have to invent a BozoQ
> > test.
> > Over here, my guess is Blair and Mandleson are CIA, but I can't
> > explain why Brown is so anti-sensible for Britain.  I think we need to
> > bring the lot back into selection through the board.  I don't think we
> > can have half-wits in leadership positions, but otherwise believe
> > selection and voting in is more dangerous than chance.  We actually
> > need far fewer of the bastards than we have now anyway.
> > Remember that statements about Vietnam in the 60s?  Obama just did
> > that over again.  That psycho CIA boss Angleton used to say the
> > Chinese and Russians were killing themselves to distract the West back
> > then.  Maybe the Soviets haven't dismantled and are just waiting for
> > us to bankrupt ourselves?  Personally, I'm inclined towards a Franco-
> > German collusion to step in with the Force de Frappe and a bunch of
> > resurrected storm-troopers after we are fatally weakened - you Yanks
> > should know the strategy, it used to be yours.
>
> > On 3 Dec, 02:40, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > Who's to say they didn't? I long suspected the entire thing was a setup 
> > > from
> > > one side of the house or the other; the GOP to bring him down, or the 
> > > Dems,
> > > to distract from domestic security and foreign policy errors in the 
> > > Clinton
> > > administration.
>
> > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:35 PM, archytas <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > I'm surprised the Russians didn't ply the White House with Monicas.
>
> > > > On 3 Dec, 00:58, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 6:15 AM, Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > You know people for as long as I can remember have called me 
> > > > > > strange,
> > > > > > and for as long as I can remember my normal response as been 'No I'm
> > > > > > quite normal, it is you lot that are strange'.  I say this 
> > > > > > jokingly, I
> > > > > > have always regarded it in a joking manor, for I know that not all
> > > > > > people want to think deeply (and some not even shollowly) about 
> > > > > > things
> > > > > > and not all people 'get' where I'm copming from.
>
> > > > > > Increasingly though I really do think people are strange.  Like this
> > > > > > little gem from Don.
>
> > > > > > 'Sure she deserves derision for contributing to the soiling of the
> > > > > > American Presidency'
>
> > > > > > She deserves derision for saying yes to the most powefull man on the
> > > > > > planet when he wanted sexual favours of her?
>
> > > > > > Well bugger me, what a strange attitude to have.
>
> > > > > I thought I was being chivalrous by not calling her what she was.  A
> > > > > whore.  She was flashing her g-string in the corridors and e-mailed
> > > > > her friends about "putting on her Presidential knee-pads" before she
> > > > > even met the guy.  I've long since recognized I live in this world
> > > > > with folks that have different opinions on what is right and what is
> > > > > wrong.  Hell, I even refrain from judgement as much as possible
> > > > > especially when I don't know the full facts.  The recent T. Woods
> > > > > episode comes to mind.  But what we're talking about is well
> > > > > researched and documented.  The girl was a skank.  Maybe she's grown
> > > > > up now and handles herself better.  I hope so for her sake.  It's in
> > > > > all our natures to be selfish but banging the teenaged chippy intern
> > > > > in the Oval Office antechamber seems a bit extreme.  Why not get a
> > > > > hotel and a real call girl?  His lack of discretion was appalling and
> > > > > proves what little respect he has for the Office and, for that matter,
> > > > > his wife.  Shameful all the way 'round I'd say.
>
> > > > > Your attitude is, however, not uncommon.  I see it as more evidence
> > > > > that our western culture is going down the crapper.  Of course these
> > > > > things happen all the time in business but in the past it was
> > > > > considered a shameful weakness when you got busted.  Now it's cool to
> > > > > be the Dawg.  Makes me ill.
>
> > > > > -Don
>
> > > > > > On 1 Dec, 22:17, Don Johnson <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > >> I'm biased?  Well yeah. Duh.  It might be worth your while to 
> > > > > >> reread
> > > > > >> your post here when you're feeling a bit calmer.  A little bit of 
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >> pot calling the kettle black I think.  I disagree on Monica's 
> > > > > >> motives.
> > > > > >>  Women are collectors just as much as men are.  It's part of the
> > > > > >> groupie mentality.  A cum stained dress is one hell of an 
> > > > > >> autograph.
> > > > > >> Clearly it was a memento.  You are missing the point when you blame
> > > > > >> the girl.  Sure she deserves derision for contributing to the 
> > > > > >> soiling
> > > > > >> of the American Presidency but that hardly removes guilt from 
> > > > > >> Clinton.
> > > > > >>  She initially lied herself about the affair.  She only came clean
> > > > > >> when the FBI told her Clinton was meeting privately with Ms. 
> > > > > >> Mondale
> > > > > >> and keeping her waiting at a security check point.  Jealousy had 
> > > > > >> her
> > > > > >> wagging her tongue; not political motivation.  I bet Arch can back 
> > > > > >> me
> > > > > >> up on this one.  The wife or girl friend will lie themselves into
> > > > > >> prison for their man until they think he's cheating on them.  Then
> > > > > >> it's pay back time.  Let's use Occam's Razor here and keep the
> > > > > >> emotions in check; shall we?
>
> > > > > >> For the record I'm glad he wasn't removed from office.  Except for
> > > > > >> being a sorry excuse for a man he was a pretty good president.  He 
> > > > > >> had
> > > > > >> a MUCH better grasp on economics then the current resident of 1600
> > > > > >> Pennsylvania Ave.  From your earlier post you seem to agree with
> > > > > >> former president Nixon.  "If the president does it; it's not 
> > > > > >> illegal."
> > > > > >>  I still think perjury is a very serious offense.  I'm sorry you
> > > > > >> apparently disagree.  At least if that president is a Democrat.
> > > > > >> Something tells me you wouldn't be so forgiving if that president 
> > > > > >> was
> > > > > >> a Republican.
>
> > > > > >> Don't forget I'm an individual.  In your off the rails diatribe you
> > > > > >> seem to be lumping me in with every conservative you've ever had 
> > > > > >> cause
> > > > > >> to hate.  I have no enmity towards you personally and I hope you 
> > > > > >> hold
> > > > > >> none towards me.  It's your reasoning I have issues with.  I have 
> > > > > >> been
> > > > > >> ashamed about many things over the years but not about speaking 
> > > > > >> truth
> > > > > >> to power.  Nor am I ashamed of publicly expressing my support for
> > > > > >> keeping as much of my money as I can.  How, when or even IF I use 
> > > > > >> my
> > > > > >> money to help others should be up to me and no one else.  Democracy
> > > > > >> seems to be turning into some kind of nightmare 'mob rules' 
> > > > > >> scenario
> > > > > >> where the productive people with useful skills work for all the
> > > > > >> deadbeats.  This kind of society is doomed to fail.
>
> > > > > >> Sorry I went off the reservation myself there a tad.  The purity
> > > > > >> police will be displeased.
>
> > > > > >> -Don
>
> > > > > >> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Justintruth 
> > > > > >> <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >> > Your so totally biased in your viewpoint Don.
>
> > > > > >> > You know that an extraordinary amount of money was spent trying 
> > > > > >> > to
> > > > > >> > "get Clinton". The special prosecutor remember? Whitewater? etc 
> > > > > >> > etc
> > > > > >> > etc etc. Years of attempted distortions and abuse of the legal
> > > > system.
> > > > > >> > Finally they "got him" in one of the oldest traps in the books - 
> > > > > >> > its
> > > > > >> > called a honeypot - they trapped him with a woman.
>
> > > > > >> > Now you can tell this is true by reflecting on one point and one
> > > > point
> > > > > >> > alone. What woman do you know, who after getting a cum stain on 
> > > > > >> > her
> > > > > >> > dress during a blow job, will, instead of rapidly getting it
> > > > cleaned,
> > > > > >> > preserve the stain? What possibly would make her do that? There 
> > > > > >> > is
> > > > > >> > only one possible explanation. She wanted evidence. That was what
> > > > she
> > > > > >> > was there for. This was an operation conducted by Linda Trip 
> > > > > >> > running
> > > > > >> > her operative Monica.
>
> > > > > >> > Now Clinton was trying to evade this massive trap and cornered 
> > > > > >> > tried
> > > > > >> > to evade with semantics under oath... so now you "got him" ...
> > > > > >> > suddenly you don't care about sex because you don't need it.... 
> > > > > >> > you
> > > > > >> > got him on perjury... or so you thought....you masked your shame 
> > > > > >> > in
> > > > > >> > your audacity... you went for impeachment... it was a "high crime
> > > > > >> > or..." Right?
>
> > > > > >> > I am not distorting here. This is the truth. A blind man could 
> > > > > >> > see
> > > > it.
>
> > > > > >> > And you accuse *him* of distortion? Talk about taking a splinter 
> > > > > >> > out
> > > > > >> > of someone else's eye when you have a log in your own!
>
> > > > > >> > What you are saying is just such a  complete distortion. You 
> > > > > >> > want to
> > > > > >> > see a liar or a bullshitter, guy? Just look in the mirror. The 
> > > > > >> > real
> > > > > >> > problem is the destruction of peoples lives that you have cost 
> > > > > >> > and
> > > > the
> > > > > >> > weakening of the ideals we require to remain free. This stuff has
> > > > had
> > > > > >> > consequences. Line the innocent dead up and drive by them in a 
> > > > > >> > car
>
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