Besides the argument from Bliss: http://news.yahoo.com/comics/non-sequitur#id=/comics/uclickcomics/20091217/cx_nq_uc/nq20091217
There do exist other notions of interest too: Sacred Geometry 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujAlmq_v32c&feature=related Sacred Geometry 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVqfceBdcoA&feature=related The Platonic Solids 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwq1yQiKmgM&feature=related The Platonic Solids 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCPLKEkBZEY&feature=related On Dec 18, 10:10 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > “Perfection? Is there any such thing, I mean really is there?” – Lee > > This is an oft discussed issue …even among some of the better known > ancient Greek philosophers. One line of reasoning goes: > > IF we didn’t have some innate understanding of what perfection is, we > would not know when we were moving towards or away from it. This of > course does not imply that it is existent in a physical sense anywhere… > it goes more to the nature of divine forms. > > In a similar way, it can be said that it is impossible to draw or even > find a circle. (just close representations thereof being possible) In > the same sense, would one wish to debate whether there is any such > thing as a circle? > > Thus goes some of the thinking…. > > On Dec 18, 9:41 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Perfection? Is there any such thing, I mean really is there? > > > On 18 Dec, 17:18, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > “The god question has often seemed something of a blind to me Bill. > > > There is always a drive for more knowledge around. This is often > > > mistakenly about a drive for unattainable perfection.” – Neil > > > > All true Neil…and without some innate knowledge of perfection itself, > > > even if not able to be objectively articulated, idealism would die > > > out. I doubt if this is your intent though. > > > > On Dec 18, 9:11 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The god question has often seemed something of a blind to me Bill. > > > > There is always a drive for more knowledge around. This is often > > > > mistakenly about a drive for unattainable perfection. > > > > > On 18 Dec, 15:26, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > For the 'seeker', perhaps some light and humorous proof is in order? > > > > > :- > > > > > D > > > > > >http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm > > > > > > On Dec 18, 7:02 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Hey OM, > > > > > > > I am aware of that particular website. As you would expect of any > > > > > > 'seeker' (Punjabi - Sikh) of God, we like to examine many things. > > > > > > > Intersting what you say about esoteric and exoteric, I fully agree, > > > > > > long have I been interested in the esoteric, hah ex Pagan, what do > > > > > > you > > > > > > expect. > > > > > > > On 18 Dec, 14:36, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Over the decades…in fact since the early 70s, I have > > > > > > > approach/avoided > > > > > > > Baha’i. IF I were to embrace a theology, this would be about as > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > as any as I see it. Like many such religions, there exists both > > > > > > > exoteric and esoteric teachings. For the esoteric here, the > > > > > > > ‘Hidden > > > > > > > Words’ were of note to me. While perhaps not nearly as extensive > > > > > > > nor > > > > > > > maybe even as profound as say, Kabala or Sufism, they have their > > > > > > > place > > > > > > > for those so inclined to scriptural reading. > > > > > > > > I thank Seals & Crofts from my first introduction to the world of > > > > > > > Baha’i…their simple presentation at a concert decades ago > > > > > > > intrigued me > > > > > > > somewhat. The different Baha’i groups I’ve chatted with online > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > the years have been quite nice too. But then again, a Sikh friend > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > mine in Florida, replete with Kirpan and Dastaar, made quite an > > > > > > > impressive impression too! : - ) > > > > > > > > For a portal to all things Baha’I, see: > > > > > > > >http://www.bahai.com/ > > > > > > > > On Dec 18, 4:17 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Haha 600 years old, not yet sir not yet. Although I fully > > > > > > > > intend to > > > > > > > > live at least twice that long. > > > > > > > > > On 18 Dec, 11:10, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Working hay was back-breakingly hard, though I miss the old > > > > > > > > > days at > > > > > > > > > Warby's farm. The best bit was the pint that didn't touch > > > > > > > > > the sides > > > > > > > > > after the morning's toil and realising Warby had demolished > > > > > > > > > half-a- > > > > > > > > > crate of Carlsberg Special Brew before your glass reached the > > > > > > > > > bar > > > > > > > > > empty. Only his Shire horses could do more work than him. > > > > > > > > > These days > > > > > > > > > he just breeds the horses and makes a mess of Special Brew > > > > > > > > > stocks in > > > > > > > > > the evening. The hay has gone, replaced by silage. I > > > > > > > > > suspect the > > > > > > > > > tough lessons of over-population will be war (again). David > > > > > > > > > Kelly was > > > > > > > > > B'Hai and he seems to have been killed by government. They > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > persecuted in Iran too. Bahaullah sounds remarkably like one > > > > > > > > > of Lee's > > > > > > > > > favourite cries without the 'ws'. Be careful of men in dark > > > > > > > > > suits and > > > > > > > > > invitations to walks in woods mate! B'Hai is inspiring, but > > > > > > > > > not good > > > > > > > > > for the health of scientists. Are you claiming to be 600 > > > > > > > > > years old > > > > > > > > > Lee? This will still leave you some way behind Orn and me, > > > > > > > > > who are as > > > > > > > > > old as the hills! > > > > > > > > > > On 17 Dec, 16:07, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Nope OM I think not. > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.bahai.org.uk/gi/intro.htm > > > > > > > > > > > The sallient part of this page is this: > > > > > > > > > > > 'Bahá’ís believe that Bahá'u'lláh is the most recent in the > > > > > > > > > > long line > > > > > > > > > > of divinely inspired prophets and messengers of God – > > > > > > > > > > including > > > > > > > > > > Zoroaster, Moses, the Buddha, Jesus and Muhammad. > > > > > > > > > > Bahá’u’lláh has > > > > > > > > > > brought teachings that address the particular moral and > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > challenges of the modern world. But he explicitly states > > > > > > > > > > that there > > > > > > > > > > will be further messengers from God in the future.' > > > > > > > > > > > No mention of any of the ten Sikh Guru's there. Which I > > > > > > > > > > have always > > > > > > > > > > found odd as ther are many simularities, and of course > > > > > > > > > > Sikhi itself is > > > > > > > > > > merely 600 years old. Not that I mind, I just find it odd > > > > > > > > > > is all. > > > > > > > > > > > On 17 Dec, 14:53, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Lee, perhaps your assumption is in error? > > > > > > > > > > > >http://search.bahai.org/main/?query=sikh > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 17, 5:40 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahhhhhh the rhetoric of a follower of the Baha'i faith > > > > > > > > > > > > umm? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allow me to add my welcome to you Sir or Madam? > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say that: > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'It unites all cultures, all races, all religions in a > > > > > > > > > > > > unity that that > > > > > > > > > > > > fosters diversity. It inspires creative thought, in > > > > > > > > > > > > arts, and crafts, > > > > > > > > > > > > sciences and technology, but tempers these with the > > > > > > > > > > > > wisdom of service > > > > > > > > > > > > to all humankind and to this living world we inhabit. > > > > > > > > > > > > Individuals are > > > > > > > > > > > > urged to earn the means of living through paths of such > > > > > > > > > > > > service.' > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then parhaps you are the very person to answer me this. > > > > > > > > > > > > You see I > > > > > > > > > > > > have long been asking this question of those of the > > > > > > > > > > > > Baha'i faith and > > > > > > > > > > > > as of yet, no answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above sounds very much some other religion I know > > > > > > > > > > > > of, a faith that > > > > > > > > > > > > preaches the unity of all, the idea that God is > > > > > > > > > > > > prevalent through out > > > > > > > > > > > > the creation, that meditation upon God and service to > > > > > > > > > > > > humanity is the > > > > > > > > > > > > key. I speak of Sikhi, and I have always wondered why > > > > > > > > > > > > no mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > the Sikh Guru's? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 17 Dec, 03:16, 1CellOfMany <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The binary reply is 1, but your explication calls for > > > > > > > > > > > > > more: > > > > > > > > > > > > > The human world has seen many cycles since Zoroaster, > > > > > > > > > > > > > and before as > > > > > > > > > > > > > well. Since our ancestors became creative, and left > > > > > > > > > > > > > the cradle of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Africa, cycles of enlightenment and the path toward > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unity have dawned > > > > > > > > > > > > > and turned round to nights of superstition, injustice > > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > divisiveness. There may have been such cycles before > > > > > > > > > > > > > as well: Once > > > > > > > > > > > > > all life was single-celled organisms. These joined > > > > > > > > > > > > > in colonies, the > > > > > > > > > > > > > collective goo supporting each member. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Differentiation occurred, > > > > > > > > > > > > > parasites became symbiotes, bacteria became > > > > > > > > > > > > > organelles, and complex > > > > > > > > > > > > > cells formed tissues and organs. In the light of > > > > > > > > > > > > > this lengthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > evolution of life, the history of man is the cycle of > > > > > > > > > > > > > one breath, > > > > > > > > > > > > > those aforementioned cycles like heartbeats or eye > > > > > > > > > > > > > blinks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The science, history, literature and logics taught to > > > > > > > > > > > > > a child of 5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > should fit her capacities, but form a basis for > > > > > > > > > > > > > lessons in later > > > > > > > > > > > > > years. Know-it-all youth are creative and bold, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely to wreck > > > > > > > > > > > > > the car and even die from such ignorant action. Hard > > > > > > > > > > > > > lessons can lead > > > > > > > > > > > > > to desire for ways that lead to happiness, beyond > > > > > > > > > > > > > mere glandular > > > > > > > > > > > > > stimulation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am saying that as we have grown in population and > > > > > > > > > > > > > power, hard > > > > > > > > > > > > > lessons will force maturity on the species. There is > > > > > > > > > > > > > a teaching of > > > > > > > > > > > > > recent origin, and relevant light for the darkness of > > > > > > > > > > > > > our times. It > > > > > > > > > > > > > has spread to all nations. It unites all cultures, > > > > > > > > > > > > > all races, all > > > > > > > > > > > > > religions in a unity that that fosters diversity. It > > > > > > > > > > > > > inspires creative > > > > > > > > > > > > > thought, in arts, and crafts, sciences and > > > > > > > > > > > > > technology, but tempers > > > > > > > > > > > > > these with the wisdom of service to all humankind and > > > > > > > > > > > > > to this living > > > > > > > > > > > > > world we inhabit. Individuals are urged to earn the > > > > > > > > > > > > > means of living > > > > > > > > > > > > > through paths of such service. (For me, that would > > > > > > > > > > > > > be through the art > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
