Perfection? Is there any such thing, I mean really is there? On 18 Dec, 17:18, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > “The god question has often seemed something of a blind to me Bill. > There is always a drive for more knowledge around. This is often > mistakenly about a drive for unattainable perfection.” – Neil > > All true Neil…and without some innate knowledge of perfection itself, > even if not able to be objectively articulated, idealism would die > out. I doubt if this is your intent though. > > On Dec 18, 9:11 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > The god question has often seemed something of a blind to me Bill. > > There is always a drive for more knowledge around. This is often > > mistakenly about a drive for unattainable perfection. > > > On 18 Dec, 15:26, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > For the 'seeker', perhaps some light and humorous proof is in order? :- > > > D > > > >http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm > > > > On Dec 18, 7:02 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hey OM, > > > > > I am aware of that particular website. As you would expect of any > > > > 'seeker' (Punjabi - Sikh) of God, we like to examine many things. > > > > > Intersting what you say about esoteric and exoteric, I fully agree, > > > > long have I been interested in the esoteric, hah ex Pagan, what do you > > > > expect. > > > > > On 18 Dec, 14:36, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Over the decades…in fact since the early 70s, I have approach/avoided > > > > > Baha’i. IF I were to embrace a theology, this would be about as good > > > > > as any as I see it. Like many such religions, there exists both > > > > > exoteric and esoteric teachings. For the esoteric here, the ‘Hidden > > > > > Words’ were of note to me. While perhaps not nearly as extensive nor > > > > > maybe even as profound as say, Kabala or Sufism, they have their place > > > > > for those so inclined to scriptural reading. > > > > > > I thank Seals & Crofts from my first introduction to the world of > > > > > Baha’i…their simple presentation at a concert decades ago intrigued me > > > > > somewhat. The different Baha’i groups I’ve chatted with online over > > > > > the years have been quite nice too. But then again, a Sikh friend of > > > > > mine in Florida, replete with Kirpan and Dastaar, made quite an > > > > > impressive impression too! : - ) > > > > > > For a portal to all things Baha’I, see: > > > > > >http://www.bahai.com/ > > > > > > On Dec 18, 4:17 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Haha 600 years old, not yet sir not yet. Although I fully intend to > > > > > > live at least twice that long. > > > > > > > On 18 Dec, 11:10, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Working hay was back-breakingly hard, though I miss the old days > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > Warby's farm. The best bit was the pint that didn't touch the > > > > > > > sides > > > > > > > after the morning's toil and realising Warby had demolished > > > > > > > half-a- > > > > > > > crate of Carlsberg Special Brew before your glass reached the bar > > > > > > > empty. Only his Shire horses could do more work than him. These > > > > > > > days > > > > > > > he just breeds the horses and makes a mess of Special Brew stocks > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the evening. The hay has gone, replaced by silage. I suspect the > > > > > > > tough lessons of over-population will be war (again). David > > > > > > > Kelly was > > > > > > > B'Hai and he seems to have been killed by government. They are > > > > > > > persecuted in Iran too. Bahaullah sounds remarkably like one of > > > > > > > Lee's > > > > > > > favourite cries without the 'ws'. Be careful of men in dark > > > > > > > suits and > > > > > > > invitations to walks in woods mate! B'Hai is inspiring, but not > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > for the health of scientists. Are you claiming to be 600 years > > > > > > > old > > > > > > > Lee? This will still leave you some way behind Orn and me, who > > > > > > > are as > > > > > > > old as the hills! > > > > > > > > On 17 Dec, 16:07, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nope OM I think not. > > > > > > > > >http://www.bahai.org.uk/gi/intro.htm > > > > > > > > > The sallient part of this page is this: > > > > > > > > > 'Bahá’ís believe that Bahá'u'lláh is the most recent in the > > > > > > > > long line > > > > > > > > of divinely inspired prophets and messengers of God – including > > > > > > > > Zoroaster, Moses, the Buddha, Jesus and Muhammad. Bahá’u’lláh > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > brought teachings that address the particular moral and > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > challenges of the modern world. But he explicitly states that > > > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > will be further messengers from God in the future.' > > > > > > > > > No mention of any of the ten Sikh Guru's there. Which I have > > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > > found odd as ther are many simularities, and of course Sikhi > > > > > > > > itself is > > > > > > > > merely 600 years old. Not that I mind, I just find it odd is > > > > > > > > all. > > > > > > > > > On 17 Dec, 14:53, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Lee, perhaps your assumption is in error? > > > > > > > > > >http://search.bahai.org/main/?query=sikh > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 17, 5:40 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Ahhhhhh the rhetoric of a follower of the Baha'i faith umm? > > > > > > > > > > > Allow me to add my welcome to you Sir or Madam? > > > > > > > > > > > You say that: > > > > > > > > > > > 'It unites all cultures, all races, all religions in a > > > > > > > > > > unity that that > > > > > > > > > > fosters diversity. It inspires creative thought, in arts, > > > > > > > > > > and crafts, > > > > > > > > > > sciences and technology, but tempers these with the wisdom > > > > > > > > > > of service > > > > > > > > > > to all humankind and to this living world we inhabit. > > > > > > > > > > Individuals are > > > > > > > > > > urged to earn the means of living through paths of such > > > > > > > > > > service.' > > > > > > > > > > > Then parhaps you are the very person to answer me this. > > > > > > > > > > You see I > > > > > > > > > > have long been asking this question of those of the Baha'i > > > > > > > > > > faith and > > > > > > > > > > as of yet, no answer. > > > > > > > > > > > The above sounds very much some other religion I know of, a > > > > > > > > > > faith that > > > > > > > > > > preaches the unity of all, the idea that God is prevalent > > > > > > > > > > through out > > > > > > > > > > the creation, that meditation upon God and service to > > > > > > > > > > humanity is the > > > > > > > > > > key. I speak of Sikhi, and I have always wondered why no > > > > > > > > > > mention of > > > > > > > > > > the Sikh Guru's? > > > > > > > > > > > On 17 Dec, 03:16, 1CellOfMany <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > The binary reply is 1, but your explication calls for > > > > > > > > > > > more: > > > > > > > > > > > The human world has seen many cycles since Zoroaster, and > > > > > > > > > > > before as > > > > > > > > > > > well. Since our ancestors became creative, and left the > > > > > > > > > > > cradle of > > > > > > > > > > > Africa, cycles of enlightenment and the path toward Unity > > > > > > > > > > > have dawned > > > > > > > > > > > and turned round to nights of superstition, injustice and > > > > > > > > > > > divisiveness. There may have been such cycles before as > > > > > > > > > > > well: Once > > > > > > > > > > > all life was single-celled organisms. These joined in > > > > > > > > > > > colonies, the > > > > > > > > > > > collective goo supporting each member. Differentiation > > > > > > > > > > > occurred, > > > > > > > > > > > parasites became symbiotes, bacteria became organelles, > > > > > > > > > > > and complex > > > > > > > > > > > cells formed tissues and organs. In the light of this > > > > > > > > > > > lengthy > > > > > > > > > > > evolution of life, the history of man is the cycle of one > > > > > > > > > > > breath, > > > > > > > > > > > those aforementioned cycles like heartbeats or eye blinks. > > > > > > > > > > > The science, history, literature and logics taught to a > > > > > > > > > > > child of 5 > > > > > > > > > > > should fit her capacities, but form a basis for lessons > > > > > > > > > > > in later > > > > > > > > > > > years. Know-it-all youth are creative and bold, but > > > > > > > > > > > likely to wreck > > > > > > > > > > > the car and even die from such ignorant action. Hard > > > > > > > > > > > lessons can lead > > > > > > > > > > > to desire for ways that lead to happiness, beyond mere > > > > > > > > > > > glandular > > > > > > > > > > > stimulation. > > > > > > > > > > > I am saying that as we have grown in population and > > > > > > > > > > > power, hard > > > > > > > > > > > lessons will force maturity on the species. There is a > > > > > > > > > > > teaching of > > > > > > > > > > > recent origin, and relevant light for the darkness of our > > > > > > > > > > > times. It > > > > > > > > > > > has spread to all nations. It unites all cultures, all > > > > > > > > > > > races, all > > > > > > > > > > > religions in a unity that that fosters diversity. It > > > > > > > > > > > inspires creative > > > > > > > > > > > thought, in arts, and crafts, sciences and technology, > > > > > > > > > > > but tempers > > > > > > > > > > > these with the wisdom of service to all humankind and to > > > > > > > > > > > this living > > > > > > > > > > > world we inhabit. Individuals are urged to earn the means > > > > > > > > > > > of living > > > > > > > > > > > through paths of such service. (For me, that would be > > > > > > > > > > > through the art > > > > > > > > > > > of the theater, and perhaps as a theoretician's > > > > > > > > > > > assistant.) > > > > > > > > > > > “The distinguishing feature that marketh the > > > > > > > > > > > preeminent character > > > > > > > > > > > of this Supreme Revelation consisteth in that We have, on > > > > > > > > > > > the one > > > > > > > > > > > hand, blotted out from the pages of God’s holy Book > > > > > > > > > > > whatsoever hath > > > > > > > > > > > been the cause of strife, of malice and mischief amongst > > > > > > > > > > > the children > > > > > > > > > > > of men, and have, on the other, laid down the essential > > > > > > > > > > > prerequisites > > > > > > > > > > > of concord, of understanding, of complete and enduring > > > > > > > > > > > unity.” - > > > > > > > > > > > Bahá’u’lláh > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 16, 9:02 am, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cell, without wishing to sound too skeptical and as > > > > > > > > > > > > ideal as your > > > > > > > > > > > > presentation is, has not your ‘tree of life’, the > > > > > > > > > > > > knowledge of radical > > > > > > > > > > > > unity been known countless times over the course of > > > > > > > > > > > > human history > > > > > > > > > > > > already, starting with Zoroaster? I ask this in a > > > > > > > > > > > > rather rhetorical > > > > > > > > > > > > sense because it appears to be the historical truth, > > > > > > > > > > > > yet somehow, this > > > > > > > > > > > > wisdom of the one became polluted as demonstrated by > > > > > > > > > > > > the majority of > > > > > > > > > > > > history. In this way, while its truth remains, its > > > > > > > > > > > > awareness > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
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