I wasn't very clear Bill and was thinking psychology out loud. More along your lines above, physics is asking: 1. How much does nothing (vacuum energy) weigh? What is the nature of dark energy? 2. The ratio of matter to dark energy varies greatly with time. Why is the ratio nearly one today? 3. In a matter dominated universe there is a simple connection between destiny and geometry - depending on the nature of dark energy a flat universe can either collapse or go on forever. What is our fate and can we ever know it? 4. The recipe for our universe is 5% baryons, 30% cold dark matter and the rest dark energy. Why? Are dark matter and dark energy related? The equations are beautiful. We are not achieving any of this by simple sensing. The 'blind' for me is why we are so easily distracted. The questions are from Michael Turner's 'Dark Energy' (Nuclear Physics Bulletin 2001: proc. supp. 405-409). Elsewhere we are bringing light to a stop and seeing it transfer through space as a matter wave.
I see no god in any of this, but surely some reasons to want to see a reason to be on a path. There is nothing like it in the thrustings of competitive capitalism and the miserable actions of the Bush and Blair power-freaks. On 18 Dec, 18:32, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > Besides the argument from Bliss: > > http://news.yahoo.com/comics/non-sequitur#id=/comics/uclickcomics/200... > > There do exist other notions of interest too: > > Sacred Geometry 1:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujAlmq_v32c&feature=related > > Sacred Geometry 2:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVqfceBdcoA&feature=related > > The Platonic Solids > 1:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwq1yQiKmgM&feature=related > > The Platonic Solids > 2:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCPLKEkBZEY&feature=related > > On Dec 18, 10:10 am, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > “Perfection? Is there any such thing, I mean really is there?” – Lee > > > This is an oft discussed issue …even among some of the better known > > ancient Greek philosophers. One line of reasoning goes: > > > IF we didn’t have some innate understanding of what perfection is, we > > would not know when we were moving towards or away from it. This of > > course does not imply that it is existent in a physical sense anywhere… > > it goes more to the nature of divine forms. > > > In a similar way, it can be said that it is impossible to draw or even > > find a circle. (just close representations thereof being possible) In > > the same sense, would one wish to debate whether there is any such > > thing as a circle? > > > Thus goes some of the thinking…. > > > On Dec 18, 9:41 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Perfection? Is there any such thing, I mean really is there? > > > > On 18 Dec, 17:18, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > “The god question has often seemed something of a blind to me Bill. > > > > There is always a drive for more knowledge around. This is often > > > > mistakenly about a drive for unattainable perfection.” – Neil > > > > > All true Neil…and without some innate knowledge of perfection itself, > > > > even if not able to be objectively articulated, idealism would die > > > > out. I doubt if this is your intent though. > > > > > On Dec 18, 9:11 am, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > The god question has often seemed something of a blind to me Bill. > > > > > There is always a drive for more knowledge around. This is often > > > > > mistakenly about a drive for unattainable perfection. > > > > > > On 18 Dec, 15:26, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > For the 'seeker', perhaps some light and humorous proof is in > > > > > > order? :- > > > > > > D > > > > > > >http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm > > > > > > > On Dec 18, 7:02 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey OM, > > > > > > > > I am aware of that particular website. As you would expect of any > > > > > > > 'seeker' (Punjabi - Sikh) of God, we like to examine many things. > > > > > > > > Intersting what you say about esoteric and exoteric, I fully > > > > > > > agree, > > > > > > > long have I been interested in the esoteric, hah ex Pagan, what > > > > > > > do you > > > > > > > expect. > > > > > > > > On 18 Dec, 14:36, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Over the decades…in fact since the early 70s, I have > > > > > > > > approach/avoided > > > > > > > > Baha’i. IF I were to embrace a theology, this would be about as > > > > > > > > good > > > > > > > > as any as I see it. Like many such religions, there exists both > > > > > > > > exoteric and esoteric teachings. For the esoteric here, the > > > > > > > > ‘Hidden > > > > > > > > Words’ were of note to me. While perhaps not nearly as > > > > > > > > extensive nor > > > > > > > > maybe even as profound as say, Kabala or Sufism, they have > > > > > > > > their place > > > > > > > > for those so inclined to scriptural reading. > > > > > > > > > I thank Seals & Crofts from my first introduction to the world > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Baha’i…their simple presentation at a concert decades ago > > > > > > > > intrigued me > > > > > > > > somewhat. The different Baha’i groups I’ve chatted with online > > > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > the years have been quite nice too. But then again, a Sikh > > > > > > > > friend of > > > > > > > > mine in Florida, replete with Kirpan and Dastaar, made quite an > > > > > > > > impressive impression too! : - ) > > > > > > > > > For a portal to all things Baha’I, see: > > > > > > > > >http://www.bahai.com/ > > > > > > > > > On Dec 18, 4:17 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Haha 600 years old, not yet sir not yet. Although I fully > > > > > > > > > intend to > > > > > > > > > live at least twice that long. > > > > > > > > > > On 18 Dec, 11:10, archytas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Working hay was back-breakingly hard, though I miss the old > > > > > > > > > > days at > > > > > > > > > > Warby's farm. The best bit was the pint that didn't touch > > > > > > > > > > the sides > > > > > > > > > > after the morning's toil and realising Warby had demolished > > > > > > > > > > half-a- > > > > > > > > > > crate of Carlsberg Special Brew before your glass reached > > > > > > > > > > the bar > > > > > > > > > > empty. Only his Shire horses could do more work than him. > > > > > > > > > > These days > > > > > > > > > > he just breeds the horses and makes a mess of Special Brew > > > > > > > > > > stocks in > > > > > > > > > > the evening. The hay has gone, replaced by silage. I > > > > > > > > > > suspect the > > > > > > > > > > tough lessons of over-population will be war (again). > > > > > > > > > > David Kelly was > > > > > > > > > > B'Hai and he seems to have been killed by government. They > > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > persecuted in Iran too. Bahaullah sounds remarkably like > > > > > > > > > > one of Lee's > > > > > > > > > > favourite cries without the 'ws'. Be careful of men in > > > > > > > > > > dark suits and > > > > > > > > > > invitations to walks in woods mate! B'Hai is inspiring, > > > > > > > > > > but not good > > > > > > > > > > for the health of scientists. Are you claiming to be 600 > > > > > > > > > > years old > > > > > > > > > > Lee? This will still leave you some way behind Orn and me, > > > > > > > > > > who are as > > > > > > > > > > old as the hills! > > > > > > > > > > > On 17 Dec, 16:07, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope OM I think not. > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.bahai.org.uk/gi/intro.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > The sallient part of this page is this: > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Bahá’ís believe that Bahá'u'lláh is the most recent in > > > > > > > > > > > the long line > > > > > > > > > > > of divinely inspired prophets and messengers of God – > > > > > > > > > > > including > > > > > > > > > > > Zoroaster, Moses, the Buddha, Jesus and Muhammad. > > > > > > > > > > > Bahá’u’lláh has > > > > > > > > > > > brought teachings that address the particular moral and > > > > > > > > > > > spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > challenges of the modern world. But he explicitly states > > > > > > > > > > > that there > > > > > > > > > > > will be further messengers from God in the future.' > > > > > > > > > > > > No mention of any of the ten Sikh Guru's there. Which I > > > > > > > > > > > have always > > > > > > > > > > > found odd as ther are many simularities, and of course > > > > > > > > > > > Sikhi itself is > > > > > > > > > > > merely 600 years old. Not that I mind, I just find it > > > > > > > > > > > odd is all. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 17 Dec, 14:53, ornamentalmind > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lee, perhaps your assumption is in error? > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://search.bahai.org/main/?query=sikh > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 17, 5:40 am, Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ahhhhhh the rhetoric of a follower of the Baha'i > > > > > > > > > > > > > faith umm? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Allow me to add my welcome to you Sir or Madam? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say that: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'It unites all cultures, all races, all religions in > > > > > > > > > > > > > a unity that that > > > > > > > > > > > > > fosters diversity. It inspires creative thought, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > arts, and crafts, > > > > > > > > > > > > > sciences and technology, but tempers these with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > wisdom of service > > > > > > > > > > > > > to all humankind and to this living world we > > > > > > > > > > > > > inhabit. Individuals are > > > > > > > > > > > > > urged to earn the means of living through paths of > > > > > > > > > > > > > such service.' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Then parhaps you are the very person to answer me > > > > > > > > > > > > > this. You see I > > > > > > > > > > > > > have long been asking this question of those of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Baha'i faith and > > > > > > > > > > > > > as of yet, no answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The above sounds very much some other religion I know > > > > > > > > > > > > > of, a faith that > > > > > > > > > > > > > preaches the unity of all, the idea that God is > > > > > > > > > > > > > prevalent through out > > > > > > > > > > > > > the creation, that meditation upon God and service to > > > > > > > > > > > > > humanity is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > key. I speak of Sikhi, and I have always wondered > > > > > > > > > > > > > why no mention of > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Sikh Guru's? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 17 Dec, 03:16, 1CellOfMany <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The binary reply is 1, but your explication calls > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for more: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The human world has seen many cycles since > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zoroaster, and before as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well. Since our ancestors became creative, and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > left the cradle of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Africa, cycles of enlightenment and the path toward > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unity have dawned > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and turned round to nights of superstition, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > injustice and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > divisiveness. There may have been such cycles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before as well: Once > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all life was single-celled organisms. These joined > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in colonies, the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > collective goo supporting each member. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Differentiation occurred, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > parasites became symbiotes, bacteria became > > > > > > > > > > > > > > organelles, and complex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cells formed tissues and organs. In the light of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this lengthy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > evolution of life, the history of man is the cycle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of one breath, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those aforementioned cycles like heartbeats or eye > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blinks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The science, history, literature and logics taught > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to a child of 5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should fit her capacities, but form a basis for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lessons in later > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years. Know-it-all youth are creative and bold, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but likely to wreck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the car and even die from such ignorant action. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hard lessons can lead > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to desire for ways that lead to happiness, beyond > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mere glandular > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stimulation. > > ... > > read more » -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ""Minds Eye"" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
