Ed; A matter of choice at what point and where does one make the choice. Acquisition of experience that is causal to ascension might be and obverse be the falling from grace. The entry into this realm seems locked in, tied down and as you say subject to the laws, challenges and opportunities that become the playing field of success or failure according to and if there are actual adherents to be applied. I would think that if there exists souls that they would all have a uniformity as far as choice or not and if not who/what decides such things. I believe that some people have lived past lives but not all as some people are Old Souls, ie: child prodigies, brilliant scientists etc., while others are New Souls ie: idiots without a clue who are easily identifiable. I would not consider reincarnation in the sense that our soul returns in the form of a different species but contend the soul returns as another human being. A human soul does not return as a cow in my opinion. I think we retain life experiences within our soul and think life might be occurring simultaneously on different planes and further that there is a level at which time itself is of no consequence. The concept of old soul and new soul has been a contentious subject for my wife and I as she is deeply rooted in Catholicism and therefore won't accept it other than as a ridiculous notion. According to her Catholic faith, death is the "complete and final separation of the soul from the body". However the Vatican has conceded that diagnosing death is a subject for medicine, not the Church. Pope Pius XII questioned whether doctors might be "continuing the resuscitation process, despite the fact that the soul may already have left the body." Others believe that life remains intact as long as the heart is beating and others still contend that the mind and body are one so being brain dead has not impact on death itself. It seems that belief in certain aspects of death may give credence to what some know as Heaven and the immortality of the soul. For atheists, pantheists, materialists and rationalists there would be no question and conversation of such idea would be moot. So what meaning does death have to us as we are living? Perhaps it is a reminder that life is temporary and that we should pay heed to what lies ahead without paying as much attention to amassing materialistic treasures over spiritual values. Is death just a marker between lives? Possibly and for me most likely, no one has ever come back to tell us anything about it. Is there a Karma that carries from one life to the next? I would think that if the soul retains it's accumulated properties then it might also retain the aspects of retribution. Upon new life in the new physical frame is there a clean slate with which to develop? I often wonder why some people are born into extreme poverty and pain while other live wonderful lives. While both will have to commit to death the interim of life seems to have significance in the fact that maybe there is for them a lesson to be learned. I would also have to examine why it is that a person is born and dies within hours of living if there is any significance to life between birth and death. I believe that everyone has a soul unique to their self. To think that souls are just random formations of different lives would imply that upon death our soul becomes part of a huge soul pool or becomes part of the zero point field. How could we retain soul integrity if we die and our soul is dispersed into a pool? I would rather think my life reflects all the lives I have lived before, not that my life is fractions of Attila the Hun and King Herod etc. What determines who gets what from the soul pool? People are all so different and there is no uniformity, obviously I didn't get any Philo Farnsworth. What would govern the outcome of future lives? Is there a relation to the gene pool in how a person returns to live again? Possibly so. If a person has the same genetic makeup as the great grandfather, is that person partially living the life of the great grandfather, in thought and action? Is there a correlation?
On Jan 14, 2:02 am, edward mason <[email protected]> wrote: > Perhaps the Earth-journey is a matter of choice which provides > experiences for ascensions and/or developments( Experience ) that > holds some special honor but can be acquired no other way. Once that > soul inters this realm of existence, becoming subject to the > controlling laws which acts kind of like a magnet to keep that soul in > the cycle of circumference until it master the Laws. This would not > imply that every soul here on earth is here as a mater of choice > either, as some are sure to assume. > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 1:57 AM, Slip Disc <[email protected]> wrote: > > Possibly it is time for a review of the existence of a soul or not. > > Those souls that are imbued with favoritism of sorts, not exactly the > > terminology, and others who are cursed. > > Let's say that previous soul enhancements lend to current living > > phenomena. > > Other questions arise, such as earth being a proving ground or a trial > > period, even a place for people to suffer damnation, people have lived > > horrible lives and others have suffered horrible deaths. > > Who knows for sure, not eye saith the blind man. > > Any variations are as well valid hypothesis. > > > On Jan 13, 3:33 pm, [email protected] wrote: > >> I am not making any statement about causation. The fact is that some > >> people are luckier than others -- both ways. I don't know what to make of > >> it. > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> > >> To: [email protected] > >> Sent: Wed, Jan 13, 2010 4:13 pm > >> Subject: Re: [Mind's Eye] Re: Karma > > >> Yes. And it does appear that the sun orbits our planet, rising in the > >> east, and setting in the west. > > >> Correlation != causation. > > >> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 4:10 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Yet it does appear as if some people, and places either have good or bad > >> luck in greater proportions than others. > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: frantheman <[email protected]> > >> To: "Minds Eye" <[email protected]> > > >> Sent: Wed, Jan 13, 2010 1:40 pm > >> Subject: [Mind's Eye] Re: Karma > > >> On 13 Jan., 18:44, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > There is no "born lucky" or "born unlucky". There is merely the > >> > randomness > > >> > of the universe, and the series of decisions a person makes in their > > >> > lifetime leading to different paths of causality. > > >> True, Chris. That said, I feel lucky this evening not to have been > > >> born (or live) in Haiti ... > > >> Francis > > >> -- > > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > >> ""Minds Eye"" group. > > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> [email protected]. > > >> For more options, visit this group > >> athttp://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> ""Minds Eye"" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> [email protected]. > >> For more options, visit this group > >> athttp://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> ""Minds Eye"" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> [email protected]. > >> For more options, visit this group > >> athttp://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > ""Minds Eye"" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/minds-eye?hl=en.
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