On Jan 17, 4:32 pm, ornamentalmind <[email protected]> wrote:

> Just one small observation about depression…and I do not mean to imply
> it directly is applicable to you too…but… I long ago learned how easy
> it is to feed upon such extreme angst and in that way, perpetuated the
> duration as well as on occasion, the depth of such episodes. Take or
> leave this sharing as you will. Often the ‘bitter pill’ is that one no
> longer need ‘emote’ in what has all too long been familiar ways.

I can sort of understand that, but at least part of the problem is
that there are real factors underlying my depression (which is another
of those unmentioned reasons why I usually find it unhelpful to think
of depression as an 'illness'), such as (i) the collapse of a fragile
construction of the only career I could imagine for myself, (ii)
almost lifelong silence and isolation, (iii) being transgendered, and
unable to find any framework whatsoever into which my gender identity
and sexuality can be contained and expressed, (iv) powerful social
pressures to continue in the same despairing pretence that broke down
at age 19 or 20 and led to my depression, (v) a lack of any
intellectual framework in which to even formulate my difficulties, let
alone work them out, (vi) truly bizarre and abusive responses from
other people, not easily classified under (iii)-(v) above, (vii) a
lifelong submissiveness towards other people's judgements, quite
promiscuously and indiscriminately, coupled with a quite ferocious
inner devaluation of my own thoughts and feelings and perceptions, and
a futile kind of intellectual rebellion which only distances me
further from reality and, by its inevitable collapse, only condemns me
further to slave-like submission to a socially constructed 'reality'
in which I do not at all believe (a but like /The Matrix/), (viii) a
complete non-recognition of the significance of the kind of family
environment in which I grew up (partly due to my own reluctance to
talk about it, for fear of not being believed, and/or being accused of
whining like a child), and ... and ...

And that's only a first stab at it - I'm sure I could easily list many
other real obstacles to me actually living a human life in society
with other human beings.

It isn't that I haven't tried, or that I have focussed obsessively on
some mistaken conscious perception of my own condition or my own
identity.  In my 57 (going on 58) years, I have tried many things, and
my ferocious self-criticism has not allowed me to rest easy for a day.

However, I have a growing conviction that, whatever causes for my
misery may exist in external 'reality', either in the past or in the
present, even these causes are invariably expressed through my own
'self', and a truer sense of reality, both external and internal at
once, can enable me to recover my freedom, or even to find it for the
first time.

I didn't mean to go on for so long - my aim in coming here was, while
not denying my state of depression, to focus on what is objectively
real (not, of course, in the sense of scientific or even purely
rational 'objectivity').

Pursuing this line of conversation too long would illustrate the truth
of what you are saying. :-)
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