I've been wrong enough and/or misunderstood things enough in my life that I wouldn't be surprised at all if that was the case here, Twirl. That being said, too many instances of extended trolling have started out with an angsty post about their persecution; forgive me if my knee jerks in reaction.
Do you find (given your statement regarding bringing shadow with you) that
you encounter what you perceive to be personal attacks ("verbal onslaughts")
no matter where you go online?
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Twirlip <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Jan 18, 7:02 pm, Chris Jenkins <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I think your idea falls apart when comparing our virtual salon to IRL
> > conversations. Allow me to elaborate:
> >
> > If someone walked into a bar for the first time, and was subject to a
> jerk
> > hassling them, would that then reflect on the bar itself? Perhaps, if
> this
> > was a repeated incident occurring with multiple regular patrons. In most
> > cases, however, it's simply that there are jerks everywhere you go.
> >
> > There's no "shadow" for ME to own, given that the basis of your entire
> > premise is based on you walking into a virtual bar, having a bad
> encounter
> > with a patron, and then spending a whole lot of time dwelling on that
> > encounter, and what it says about "the bar", which in reality, is
> nothing.
> > In fact, given that this virtual bar stepped up fairly quickly to correct
> > out of line behaviour, your premise is entirely fallacious.
>
> Whatever you imagine, I don't want a long wrangle. You seem entirely
> too focussed on me being some sort of egocentric or narcissistic
> attention-seeker and troublemaker.
>
> If you can't see any objective content in anything I say, I won't
> waste too much your time and mine with an entirely pointless and petty
> personal squabble (which, may I remind you, I did not start! - and
> yes, I can guess exactly how bored you are to hear that).
>
> I was not saying that Minds Eye (minus yours truly) has a shadow, of
> which I am an innocent victim. I'm saying that there is always a
> shadow, everywhere.
>
> And I even think there is a weird way in which I bring a bit of extra
> shadow with me, wherever I go. (The "Jonah" remark, in another thread
> - which I jumped into as soon as some unfortunate person started it!
> However, he did mention the "bad mood", and the "bad mood" does seem
> to focus on me!).
>
> It's not something I do deliberately. Nor, on the other hand, am I
> being scapegoated for some dark secret. (Like, what was that Western -
> Bad Day in Black Rock, was it?) I think it's something stranger and
> more interesting than either of those two easy possibilities.
>
> Also, this thread uses the example of my recent minor tribulations
> here only as a way into talking about something objective. A finger
> pointing to the Moon - is that what they say? But you won't let go of
> my finger.
>
> I have learned quite a lot from today's events. But it doesn't look
> like I am going to be able to share much of what I have learned. I
> did have a long conversation with my daughter, who has also been
> running into a little "group" problem today (as I might almost have
> predicted, just based on what has been happening to me here today -
> there are these weird links). We talked about delusions of grandeur,
> among other things. As I was telling her about mine, she fell
> asleep. :-)
>
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